how much longer for the ICE now Americia's best selling Vehicle has gone electric?

[Isaac Zachary]

Pex would be ideal. But if it ain't broke why fix it. My house is partially copper but mostly steel. I figure I'll replace them once they break (or start to leak).

The water heater pilot went out once and froze the water heater that then filled up and froze the water heater closet and ended up breaking out the door that was on it.

I couldn't find any PEX hot water heaters though to replace it with

[redpoint5]

I don't know what my friend's house had for the water main. I think it was grey, but not PVC. The crap broke for no reason because it doesn't freeze 4ft in the ground (making locating the leak and repairing it a PITA).

[redneck]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

PEX is common for water supply lines here.

What came before PEX? After helping with my friend's 5th main leak, I told him I'd help install a new main line, but wouldn't help with repairing the 6th leak.

Polybutylene


https://www.polybutylene.com/poly.html





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[oil pan 4]

Water mains in old homes are almost always steel when they leak.
I have had to dig up 3 because they leaked and guess what, they were all steel.

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by redneck

Polybutylene


https://www.polybutylene.com/poly.html





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That's the crap. How'd that ever get used? The house was from the late 90's too, so it's not like the pipe was old.

[Hersbird]

We owned a home in Eureka, Ca that was almost 100% redwood beside the oak flooring. The main joists, beams, framing and rafters all redwood. Then all the plumbing was copper, even the drain lines and main stacks. The plumber who added on for a 2nd bathroom felt dirty adding the PEX to that. He said it was a "work of art" being in the crawlspace of that home. I don't know how he knew the original plummers name was Art.

Oh and PS on topic, my first ride in an EV was from another contractor on that remodel, one that did solar and sunrooms back in 1995. He had an EV Porsche speedster kit car and gave me a ride up to 65mph on highway 101. That was went I knew EVs were or could be more than golf carts.

[oil pan 4]

Yeah lots of old growth redwood lumber here to in old homes. Any time I can I salvage those old redwood 2x4s I do, because they appear to be approximately double the strength of farmed lumber.

[redneck]

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Polybutylene is what I used in my home when I built it. Back then it was the latest and greatest.

Then 6 months later the lawsuits started.

The problem wasn’t with the pipe. It was the plastic fittings and aluminum clamp rings that some people used. If you used copper fittings, along with copper clamp rings, you were good to go.

Knock on wood. Mine has given me no problems in over 25 years.

It’s estimated Polybutylene plumbing was installed in over a 10 million homes.



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[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by redneck

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Polybutylene is what I used in my home when I built it. Back then it was the latest and greatest.

Then 6 months later the lawsuits started.

The problem wasn’t with the pipe. It was the plastic fittings and aluminum clamp rings that some people used. If you used copper fittings, along with copper clamp rings, you were good to go.

Knock on wood. Mine has given me no problems in over 25 years.

It’s estimated Polybutylene plumbing was installed in over a 100 million homes.



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My friend's house leaked in 5 different places along a single straight section of pipe within the 40 ft from the water main and the home. I dug up mature hedges, lawn, and even partially under the house to make repairs.

[cRiPpLe_rOoStEr]

Originally Posted by Hersbird

imagine that, they take soil contaminated naturally with all those things from around the plant and also millions of tons of, you know, coal. Then they use the coal to make electricity and lots of the leftovers go back into the dry desert soil from wence they came. 1000 years from now someone else will probably have a mine there with some great use of those minerals too. Actually give it long enough and Yellowstone park's volcano will have migrated that far east and north and vaporize anything we didn't use releasing it all into the atmosphere

Makes sense, yet groundwater contamination may be a matter of concern.