I want to get to the bottom of this ethanol killing my mpg

[Nerys]

"...a government OF the people is what the parchment reads, but it hasn't been that way since the 1800's."

your got that right. Lemmings and Sheeple the lot of us.

Our welfare state is PART of the problem a big part of it.

I actually qualify for welfare I make so little. I REFUSE to apply for it. Unemployment I did since that is MY tax money.

The government has ZERO RIGHT and ZERO Authority to take one citizens money to give to another citizen.

this is what a welfare state does and I refuse to participate in it even for my own benefit. I have NO RIGHT to take another citizens money at gun point and IT IS at gun point because if you don't pay your taxes they will come after you and if you resist they will point guns at you.

[dcb]

That is a pretty oversimplified perspective.

If I were to extend the analogy, if citizens cannot benefit from taxes, then none of the defence industry could be privatized. I could easily claim that you are funneling my taxes to other citizens because they are not government issue. and maybe this is a big can o' worms

[Nerys]

Ahh but your anology fails there because the constitution TASKS the government with national defense. IE its AUTHORIZED to do that constitutionally.

Welfare is no where in the constitution and is not supposed to be.

[99LeCouch]

Back to our regular ethanol-bashing...

Dope your gas with TCW-3 ashless 2-cycle oil at a ratio of 4oz to 10 gallons or Marvel Mystery Oil at a similar ratio. Try that for a tank, then start adjusting downward to find the sweet spot. If nothing else, it's combating the lack of lubricity that E10 has. My car runs a bit smoother on MMO than without it.

[dcb]

Originally Posted by Nerys

Ahh but your anology fails there because the constitution TASKS the government with national defense. IE its AUTHORIZED to do that constitutionally.

Welfare is no where in the constitution and is not supposed to be.

My analogy was of your oversimplification "The government has ZERO RIGHT and ZERO Authority to take one citizens money to give to another citizen."

Zero government money can enter the private sector in that case. And there's no money for banks. I'm not saying it as good or bad, just saying that private citizens benefit all the time from various shenanigans.

Do I think you should get rewarded for doing nothing? Absolutely not. But it would be an insanely dramatic change for everyone if such an ideal became an absolute overnight. There are shloads of people doing nothing of value everywhere you look and getting paid for it, not just folks on general welfare, or unions or whatever your preffered scapegoat is, every branch of government, every company, every organization has 'em. Yah someone might look busy, but there is no product in many cases. I mean what is the difference between someone on welfare and the chief officer at a member bank? Or all our buddies at Halliburton for that matter?

[Frank Lee]

Originally Posted by 99LeCouch

Dope your gas with TCW-3 ashless 2-cycle oil at a ratio of 4oz to 10 gallons or Marvel Mystery Oil at a similar ratio. Try that for a tank, then start adjusting downward to find the sweet spot. If nothing else, it's combating the lack of lubricity that E10 has. My car runs a bit smoother on MMO than without it.

Seriously- who's going to do that?

What part of the intake needs lubricity?

[Nerys]

The fuel pump Frank Lee but somehow I don't think its going to help much :-)

as for over simplification. I am not over simplifying.

When a government builds a defense and pays civilians to do the work IT IS NOT taking money from one citizen to give to another. It is PAYING citizens to do work that is the governments DUTY to have done.

It is taking money from citizens and giving it to DEFENSE. HOW that is spent in defense is not overly relevant (we are assuming it really is going to defense for this argument)

its "indirect" you can not PAY the missile to build itself or the road to lay itself. you BUY the road and citizens LAY IT.

welfare is taking money DIRECTLY from citizens and giving it DIRECTLY to other citizens. there is no constitutional reason for this. they are simply saying YOU ALL are going to pay for these people.

There is a very good story that explains this very nicely. I will try to find it and get you a link. Sometimes I have a very clear idea in my head the trick is ARTICULATING this idea in such a way that another person develops the same clear idea I have.

I don't have a problem with welfare. I have a problem with GOVERNMENT welfare out of MY pocket with what is effectively a GUN to my head.

[Frank Lee]

Corporate welfare is what really cheeses me off.

[Nerys]

Thats not welfare. Thats bold face outright theft.

[dcb]

How do you propose getting money into the private sector without trusting it to citizens? And if you know some of that money goes for nothing (an it does) then your claim that it isn't welfa