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Old 01-08-2014, 09:43 AM   #141 (permalink)
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I saw the aftermath a crash on the autobahn years ago. It was a single vehicle crash so they didn't get hit by a dump truck or high speed train. There were just pieces of a car and body parts scattered along the road.
Turned out the car was a Honda civic that had been modified to some degree.
This person was able to some how replicate the results of the alleged JATO rocket car myth with out a rocket and with out crashing into the side of the mountain.

But what can you expect from a car built in a country where the fastest legal speed limit is 48 mph and most roads posted at around 35mph or less.

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Old 01-08-2014, 10:37 AM   #142 (permalink)
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It seems were getting off topic here???

Honda early 90's cars will only be as safe as early 90 Honda cars. "Import Tuner" mag is not arguing that its safer then a 4000 + lb 2014 car?

If we want to talk safety and why people want to choose a smaller eco box to get great mileage at the risk of surviving a crash, shouldn't that would be in another thread???
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Old 01-08-2014, 11:43 AM   #143 (permalink)
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Yup, this is an off-topic argument that comes up repeatedly and nobody ever wins.

People have different risk perceptions, risk tolerances, driving abilities & driving environments.

Accept this and move on, please.
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I will never understand euro crash tests. I much rather care about my safety than some idiot's safety who walked out into the street when he knew I was coming
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I love when some entity with deep pockets can dig deep into a car and take it very, very far down one developmental path or another. Opel did it with their Rekord mileage concept, Ford did it with the GT concept (and brought it back to market).

I just love this series of articles. I can't wait for the road trip results! I wonder, just how happy will these guys be with having taken out ALL the sound attenuation material?
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I love when some entity with deep pockets can dig deep into a car and take it very, very far down one developmental path or another. Opel did it with their Rekord mileage concept, Ford did it with the GT concept (and brought it back to market).

I just love this series of articles. I can't wait for the road trip results! I wonder, just how happy will these guys be with having taken out ALL the sound attenuation material?
I did it to my first Karmann Ghia and regretted it as soon as I started the engine.The 'noise-vibration-harshness index was off the charts,and you felt shell-shocked after each drive.
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I had a 81 VW Scirocco that I gutted (no dash heater core door panels etc.) and I pulled every once of sound deadner out of it. What a noisy tin can going down the road. I sold it right after it was finished because it was not very fun to drive around and have your ears ringing for next two hours.
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Old 01-13-2014, 02:08 PM   #148 (permalink)
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I had a 81 VW Scirocco that I gutted (no dash heater core door panels etc.) and I pulled every once of sound deadner out of it. What a noisy tin can going down the road. I sold it right after it was finished because it was not very fun to drive around and have your ears ringing for next two hours.
Now that's hard core.
I did something like that once with another car, I pulled all the carpet and sound deading insolation out to power wash and sun dry it over the course of a day or 2. I always planned to reinstall it.
Well with school, work and new England weather a day or 2 turned into 3 weeks. I couldn't stand to drive the car. I was very glad to get the cleaned carpet and sound deading insolation back in.
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Old 02-02-2014, 01:06 PM   #149 (permalink)
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They messed up

I did some deeper analysis of the build, mainly the tuning of their project. the results are they killed 5-10 mpg by switching to a programmable ECU.

The hondata system used cannot read the NGK O2 sensor, and instead uses a bosch style O2. This lowers the readable AFR range from 27.56 to 19.5, effectively killing the lean burn capability.
This system cannot control the EGR system either, increasing pumping losses.

I'm not even going to cover the exhaust system (its plain to see).

If the magazine wants to push their MPG higher, they'll have to take a few steps back. Given that they have to keep their advertisers happy, I don't see this happening. I still commend their attempts, and attention. About half of it is still useable.
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Aftermarket ecus/ tuning softwares do have the capabilities for really lean maps but if it's limited to the 02 sensor range then yea they were better off with the p07. They really don't need the egr but without it the nox level will be really high.

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