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kach22i · 08-31-2016, 09:08 AM

I'm including this car for not what it is, but for what it could be with a windshield lowering (or removal), and some sort of cockpit covering like in an old MG, Porsche 550 or something.

2011
... the320i.blogspot.com ...: 1949 Spohn-bodied Veritas BMW Cabriolet

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This wild looking 1949 Spohn-bodied Veritas BMW cabriolet will be auctioned next month as part of the sell-off of Lee Roy Hartung estate collection in Chicago.

Google "Spohn-bodied" if you want to see some real ugly and weird stuff. This one is a beauty by comparison.

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Thought I would explore the potential a bit more. Not as convincing as I had hoped for.

http://s184.photobucket.com/user/kac...?sort=3&page=1

Might be better off with the original roof on.

ChopStix · 08-31-2016, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by kach22i

I'm including this car for not what it is, but for what it could be with a windshield lowering (or removal), and some sort of cockpit covering like in an old MG, Porsche 550 or something.

2011
... the320i.blogspot.com ...: 1949 Spohn-bodied Veritas BMW Cabriolet

Google "Spohn-bodied" if you want to see some real ugly and weird stuff. This one is a beauty by comparison.

EDIT:
Thought I would explore the potential a bit more. Not as convincing as I had hoped for.

2016 Misc by George Kachadoorian | Photobucket

Might be better off with the original roof on.

It looks like its remote control.

redneck · 08-31-2016, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by kach22i

I'm including this car for not what it is, but for what it could be with a windshield lowering (or removal), and some sort of cockpit covering like in an old MG, Porsche 550 or something.

2011
... the320i.blogspot.com ...: 1949 Spohn-bodied Veritas BMW Cabriolet

Google "Spohn-bodied" if you want to see some real ugly and weird stuff. This one is a beauty by comparison.

EDIT:
Thought I would explore the potential a bit more. Not as convincing as I had hoped for.

2016 Misc by George Kachadoorian | Photobucket

Might be better off with the original roof on.

I've seen this car in person. It is "different" to say the least.

The car is now located in Maggie Valley N.C. at the Wheels Through Time Museum.

Wheels Through Time - The Museum That RunsWheels Through Time | The Museum That Runs

The museum is full of early American motorcycles , lots of memorabilia and some odd cars.

I highly recommend going there. You will not be disappointed.

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freebeard · 09-01-2016, 12:11 AM

1949 Spohn-bodied Veritas BMW cabriolet? You know what it interesting about that?

The Buick LeSabre is listed as from 1951; two years later than that, but Spohn's work looks like a cheap knock-off. The pontoon front fenders are similar to the 1947 Volkhart-Sagitta V2 but that's all lost at the windshield. Someone was using the C-shaped fender vent, but I don't recall — was it Cisitalia or Bugatti?

Moskvitch-C2 (1956)

http://oldconceptcars.com/soviet-racing-and-concept-cars/

Here's another interesting comparison. If I won the lottery I'd drive '64 T-bird with a '61 Starliner roof (and Tesla drivetrain):

http://www.classicnation.com/custom-thunderbird-tail-lights/

Ford actually built [or commissioned] a concept car called the Italien in 1963:

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1963-FORD-THUNDERBIRD-FASTBACK-ITALIEN-CONCEPT-CAR-60571

So, obviously, if I did that I'd name it the ItAlien.

2nd Edit: Did anyone notice the tonneau cover on that 1939 Plymouth pickup that got the radial aircraft engine?

https://chromjuwelen.com/network/237...ircraft-engine

It's got a profile in the back that results in an internal Gurney flap. I wonder how that compares to a half-tonneau for effectiveness.

kach22i · 09-01-2016, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by freebeard

It's got a profile in the back that results in an internal Gurney flap. I wonder how that compares to a half-tonneau for effectiveness.

I have never done a half-tonneau cover, but I do have a full-tonneau cover and have experimented with different height rear spoilers/Gurney flaps.

If I recall correctly, once I shaved down my rear spoiler/Gurney flap to proper size the gas mileage was down perhaps 1 mpg, but the high speed stabilization was priceless - glued to the road, no lane wandering even in high winds at 80 mph.

I suspect this rat-rod truck gets some small amount of down-force which may equate to more drag. I'd worry about rain water intrusion but don't think that thing ever sees rain. Just looking at it makes my mouth dry.

sgtlethargic · 09-01-2016, 11:53 AM

Mindset E-motion

botsapper · 09-02-2016, 01:57 AM

A streamline era 1927 Londen camping motorhome. The quintessential aero teardop profile w/ matching drapes.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...409d3780a6.jpg

kach22i · 09-02-2016, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by sgtlethargic

Mindset E-motion

Interesting, reminds me of a car from Germany about 8 years ago.

Any idea on what's going on with the rear wheel wells?

If form follows function, then what in the world are they trying to cool off and ventilate? The battery packs?

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Originally Posted by botsapper

A streamline era 1927 Londen camping motorhome. The quintessential aero teardop profile w/ matching drapes.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...409d3780a6.jpg

The height of the windshield is much lower than I expected. If the engine is behind that radiator and the driver sits adjacent to it with only a layer of rock-wool or natural insulating fiber, then it makes for a very cramped and hot ride.

Looking at the internal area turning wheels would take up, I suspect the driver sits further back as there would only be room for some feet in there.

Meaning, sitting low, far back, with the windshield about 5-feet away, completely disorientating for the driver.

Related: I saw a Pontiac Trans Van make a right hand turn once. The elderly driver could not judge the distances well because of the design, hit the concrete curb separating the two lanes in the middle of the road and flipped the van.

I was in the left lane going the other way, she slid right on by me. She was going way to fast to begin with, I knew no good could come of it.

I see the 1927 Londen having similar issues, it's saving grace is that it probably was under-powered like most motorhomes to this day.