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Old 09-18-2012, 10:28 AM   #41 (permalink)
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Old 09-18-2012, 11:44 AM   #42 (permalink)
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Thanks for the spec link. I was just about to go look for that.

Vehicles generally don't operate at their peak horsepower. For a given total load on the engines, at the same speed, both have to produce close to the same horsepower (internal work will match external work -- load x speed = horsepower, in the right units). The same horsepower expended should consume close to the same fuel quantity.

Where you get into differences is that the higher horsepower engine has the capability to either pull a much heavier load at the same speed, or pull the same load at a much higher speed, in which case the higher horsepower engine will of course consume more fuel. For running about in town lightly loaded, the larger engine should up-shift much quicker than the smaller engine. Whether it really does or not would be something to test, though I no longer have the '92 to compare directly.
You should read about brake specific fuel consumption and how it effects engines and efficiency. That should clarify things as to why a 4.0L with over 100 more horsepower gets worse gas mileage than a 3.0L engine.

You seem to be disregarding all of our advise as if you have all the answers, yet all you seem to have is questions with no answers. We have been doing this for FAR longer than you. It might be worth considering that our experience has shown us and taught us things that you don't know yet.
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Old 09-18-2012, 07:18 PM   #43 (permalink)
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You should search EM for "acetone" and "LaPointe".
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You should read about brake specific fuel consumption and how it effects engines and efficiency. That should clarify things as to why a 4.0L with over 100 more horsepower gets worse gas mileage than a 3.0L engine.

You seem to be disregarding all of our advise as if you have all the answers, yet all you seem to have is questions with no answers. We have been doing this for FAR longer than you. It might be worth considering that our experience has shown us and taught us things that you don't know yet.
You seem to be more than a little peeved that anyone would question your mighty wisdom.

I'm eager to see testing results and experimental data, as well as the methodology and procedures used. I give a lot of weight to that. I don't give a lot of weight to unsupported opinions, or people who get huffy when questioned or challenged.

I'll eventually get around to all the posts, In any regard regarding experiments, independent corroboration is a necessity. And if there isn't any, then I may do it myself.
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Old 09-18-2012, 08:14 PM   #45 (permalink)
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Under very very strict testing it has come to my attention that the unicorn gains 20% more energy from his oats by adding 2 ounces of pure acetone to his meal before flight time.
Apparently the results vary depending on what store you bought the oats from.
Good news all same and more positive proof in acetone's favor.

Here is the actual unicorn used in testing
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You seem to be more than a little peeved that anyone would question your mighty wisdom.

I'm eager to see testing results and experimental data, as well as the methodology and procedures used. I give a lot of weight to that. I don't give a lot of weight to unsupported opinions, or people who get huffy when questioned or challenged.

I'll eventually get around to all the posts, In any regard regarding experiments, independent corroboration is a necessity. And if there isn't any, then I may do it myself.
After crawling through this most laborious thread, my conclusion is you will only recognise your own experimentation and empirical data as valid and appropriate for your purposes.
Why bother with us in the first place.
Your overpowered Nissan truck gets 12.5 MPG. My Fiesta does 45 MPG, my bike is just below 92, and my 41 year old bike still gets 4 times the mileage of your truck.
Your conclusion about two different engines needing the same amount of fuel to do the same amount of work is fallacious, and the best engine in the world today is at 56% thermal efficiency.
Not much of a group personality from my observation. You certainly do not need all of us other members with our likewise overinflated egos, unless I misread you intentions (probably not).

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Old 09-18-2012, 09:25 PM   #47 (permalink)
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Time for a reality check:

You: Mid-sized crew cab truck getting 12.5 MPG.
Me: Mid-sized crew cab truck got over 37 MPG in 3570.9 miles of both city and highway driving.

Now who knows more about gas mileage. Hint: Actions speak louder than words.

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I don't give a lot of weight to unsupported opinions, or people who get huffy when questioned or challenged.
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Under very very strict testing it has come to my attention that the unicorn gains 20% more energy from his oats by adding 2 ounces of pure acetone to his meal before flight time.
Apparently the results vary depending on what store you bought the oats from.
Good news all same and more positive proof in acetone's favor.

Here is the actual unicorn used in testing
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