New Coronavirus - COVID-19

[Fat Charlie]

To a used car salesman or a sleazy real estate developer, "facts" are whatever you say enough times.

My perspective is not that of a con man.

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by Fat Charlie

Are we really arguing "factiness" vs. "truthiness"?

I'm on team factiness.

I think I'm with you on valuing accurate information over hyperbole, but I attempt to apply that to people who are saying things I agree with as well as those who are saying things I disagree with.

Politicians are famous for half-truths, or as Scott Adams puts it, "directionally true".

Here's one from Pelosi regarding Obamacare "Under the health care law, "everybody will have lower rates, better quality care and better access."

My wife's high deductible plan doubled in price overnight once Obamacare went into effect. Some people's rates went down; namely those whose rates were subsidized by people like us, whose rates doubled. "Everybody" is directionally true if what you consider to be everybody is only those who are low enough income to benefit from subsidy.

When we hear high profile politicians saying things, it's simply the marketing we're listening to. Why do we pay attention to the marketing instead of evaluating the product?

[TexasCotton]

FYI

FAT CHARLIE
POSTED 3-28-2020

"Nobody from Wuhan sneezed in Milan" ....................

The above is your statement with my previous post. The paraphrasing is for the internet and smart phones technology ones. Ones that can not make a debate without twisting and devoid a subject of seeming logic and perspective to the issues. If what you have to convey does not have logic or veracity then by all means go ahead switch to twisted and paraphrase statement...

You have further put "racist" label...out there to further twist and malign any
"clarity" or "coherence"

To you "Fat Charlie" there are far more troublesome "clowns" out there to waste my time on ....

So carry on trolls and clowns

[freebeard]

So carry on trolls and clowns

We don't need your permission, but thanks for not leaving the thread. Maybe we can all learn something.

Like why Fat Charlie's name is in quotes.

I came back to compare and contrast the Speaker of the House. But enough of her.*

Originally Posted by Fat Charlie

Are we really arguing "factiness" vs. "truthiness"?

Is lacking free will possible in a Quantum Universe? Discuss.


*nevermind. Pelosi played 'Impeachment' on her tiny little violin while New York burned.

[Xist]

I will just leave this here:

That didn't offend anyone, did it?

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by freebeard

I used to feel like my only contribution society was interested in was whole blood (I'm 0 negative). But since I went on heart medication they don't even want that. Maybe in these circumstances?

I appreciate your contribution here. Was even better to meet in person.

[Xist]

You guys met?! Can you draw him for us?

[Fat Charlie]

Who needs a picture when you've got provocative statements and questions? Those are much more interesting.

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by Xist

You guys met?! Can you draw him for us?

He's on video; linked in your thread.

Surprising considering his usual MO is to scrub evidence of existence.

[JSH]

An interesting article on GM and Ventec collaboration to build ventilators.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/30/b...gtype=Homepage

March 19th - GM first contacted
March 20th - GM visits Ventec on see how the ventilators are made
March 22th - GM has supplier selected and deliver commitments for 95% of the parts
March 24th - GM and Ventec have a contract for GM to produce ventilators for Ventec as a subcontractor.
March 25th - FEMA says they need more time to look at competing bids
March 26th - Trump tells Sean Hannity that he doesn't believe 30,000 to 40,000 ventilators are needed
March 26th - The media reports that the White House cancelled a press conference to announce that the Federal government will buy 80,000 ventilators made by GM
March 27th - Trump attacks GM claiming they are wasting time and trying to rip of the government so he is invoking the Defense Production Act to force them to make ventilators.
March 29th - Trump: "General Motors is doing a fantastic job. I don’t think we need to worry about General Motors”

5 days from contact to contract is just amazing. Hats off to GM and Ventec