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Old 12-11-2009, 07:29 PM   #2731 (permalink)
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Yikes! The new software has over-rev protection. That might come in handy. I can walk you through the the installation process if you want to try it.

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I'll second the packing! Took me 10 minutes with a box cutter to get my parts What about subing an igbt with the same package as the fets?
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Old 12-12-2009, 02:26 PM   #2733 (permalink)
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Like a TO-247 IGBT? 10 of them? Or a big igbt module instead of the mosfets?
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yeah TO-247. Just bought a few on ebay for my charger project:
IGBT SGL50N60 600V 80A 250W short circuit rated (x4) on eBay (end time 15-Dec-09 00:44:35 GMT)

80A 600V. Just an idea as i think you mentioned the fets were on backorder.
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The IGBTs don't parallel so well IIRC, they allow more amps as they heat up so the hottest one gets hotter and eventually need their magic smoke replaced. Mosfets do the opposite and are better suited for paralleling, so brick IGBTs for EVs it sounds like.

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yeah TO-247. Just bought a few on ebay for my charger project:
IGBT SGL50N60 600V 80A 250W short circuit rated (x4) on eBay (end time 15-Dec-09 00:44:35 GMT)

80A 600V. Just an idea as i think you mentioned the fets were on backorder.
The seller of this merchandise is about an hour drive from my house.... My very first neighborhood

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The IGBTs don't parallel so well IIRC, they allow more amps as they heat up so the hottest one gets hotter and eventually need their magic smoke replaced. Mosfets do the opposite and are better suited for paralleling, so brick IGBTs for EVs it sounds like.

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My mistake. Just a thought.
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The IGBTs don't parallel so well IIRC, they allow more amps as they heat up so the hottest one gets hotter and eventually need their magic smoke replaced. Mosfets do the opposite and are better suited for paralleling, so brick IGBTs for EVs it sounds like.

Edit, it was discussed about 2300 posts back
Some IGBTs can be directly paralleled and some cannot. Check the datasheet. In general, Non-Punch Through (NPT) can be directly paralleled and Punch Through (PT) cannot.
In either case, it might be possible to use a bundle of wires instead of one large one so the wire resistances would tend to equalize the currents. Note that diodes generally cannot be directly paralleled, so it's a good idea to use a bundle even if you're using MOSFETs or IGBTs that can be directly paralleled.
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Some IGBTs can be directly paralleled and some cannot. Check the datasheet. In general, Non-Punch Through (NPT) can be directly paralleled and Punch Through (PT) cannot.
In either case, it might be possible to use a bundle of wires instead of one large one so the wire resistances would tend to equalize the currents. Note that diodes generally cannot be directly paralleled, so it's a good idea to use a bundle even if you're using MOSFETs or IGBTs that can be directly paralleled.
You can use parallel IGBT devices if you have enough of them
and "match" them to each other.

The best way to use them is to test them for conductance and match
them as close as you can.
Say you have a box of 40 of the same type of IGBT device
and your design is going to use 12 of these devices.
To make these matcing measurements you will need a meter
that will read millivolts DC and
you would need 2 regulated bench supplies. (or, batteries and good regulators) One that will supply 15vdc at low current to drive the gate
and the second that will regulate current at 1 amp at whatever voltage develops across the drain and source. so a pair of 0-30VDC 0-1amp bench supplies would do nicely.

You would pick the 12 devices that fall within the smallest range using the following process that Nate at DIYElectriCar explained:

"What you want is the IGBT to act as close to its neighbor as possible.
Make sure the IGBT tests are all at the same temperature.
Test each IGBT individually but you should test them all on the same pad/heatsink.
Put 15V on the gate and 1 amp across the emitter and collector.
Measure the mV drop across each emitter to collector. Write it on the device.
Start each IGBT at the same temperature and monitor the temperature
rise over a set amount of time. What you want is consistency in voltage drop and temperature rise.
The final design should mount them on a common heat sink to help keep them thermally equal.
This is the basic way to test, you can vary the parameters but be consistent on all units."

Modules can be "matched" the same way, but should probably be tested using a higher current and a larger heatsink.

So, you can use what you have or can obtain at bargain prices.
There are plenty of EV's running around with parallel IGBT's in the controllers.

Mark

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Old 12-12-2009, 10:46 PM   #2740 (permalink)
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Sorry for my ignorance in these matters, and all of the 999,999 further stupid questions I will ask, but should I stick to the parts in the Wiki, or can I substitute some parts? For example, could I use these capacitors:

25pcs CDE 250V 680uF Snap-In 105c Capacitors New! - eBay (item 200400013547 end time Dec-28-09 16:17:27 PST)

instead of the P11641-ND that Digi-Key offers?

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