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Old 09-18-2012, 06:42 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Any way to show me the route the belt takes and get me the length code?

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Old 09-20-2012, 12:51 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Any way to show me the route the belt takes and get me the length code?
Around the alternator, backward against the water pump, around the crankshaft, over the tensioner, back to the alternator:



The tensioner doesn't move in the right direction to actually provide tension, so its basically just there as an idler to keep the belt from rubbing on itself. This makes the belt kind of hard to get on. Kind of really hard.

The belt (dayco) # is 5060380,
(I don't remember the size, but I know it is coded into that number somehow)
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A few months ago I returned home just as my neighbor pulled into his driveway. It was cold (around freezing) with some rain and sleet, and he yells to me: You rode your bike? In this weather?!?

So the other day we both returned home at the same time again, only now the weather is warm, sunny, with no wind. And I yell to him: You took the car? In this weather?!?

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Old 09-20-2012, 03:14 PM   #13 (permalink)
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When we removed PS from her matrix, I just bought a shorter serpentine belt, and rerouted it to skip the PS (and AC).
I drew out the belt diagram you posted above, and figured out a path that would turn everything the correct way while skipping the unnecessary stuff, then measured it with a piece of string and told the parts store the length of the belt I wanted in mm.
I too have done this to several other cars. Much easier to reroute and less drag on the pully system.

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I will see if I can get the belt on before swapping out the pulley.

any advice on how you got the belt on?
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Mostly just hand strength and perseverance.
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A few months ago I returned home just as my neighbor pulled into his driveway. It was cold (around freezing) with some rain and sleet, and he yells to me: You rode your bike? In this weather?!?

So the other day we both returned home at the same time again, only now the weather is warm, sunny, with no wind. And I yell to him: You took the car? In this weather?!?
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When we removed PS from her matrix, I just bought a shorter serpentine belt, and rerouted it to skip the PS (and AC).
I drew out the belt diagram you posted above, and figured out a path that would turn everything the correct way while skipping the unnecessary stuff, then measured it with a piece of string and told the parts store the length of the belt I wanted in mm.
It took 3 trys to get the right length, and getting the belt on was a little bit challenging, but it gone on just fine in the end.
I've went the same way with Berta. When I've removed AC (it was driven by additional belt), and PC pump (to save weight) I just took the measurement of the serpentine belt I would need to drive the rest of the pulleys and bought one with the correct lenght.



3 - PS pump - removed
green line - new serpentine belt route
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Old 09-22-2012, 11:58 AM   #17 (permalink)
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well I got some work done on the PS delete mod:

I swapped out the OEM belt for the one that was recommended by JacobAziza (Thanks!!!)

It took a bit of smarts and hand work to get the belt on but by putting it over everything but the alternator and then getting a second pair of hands to hold the wrench on the tensioner (to keep in down as low as possible) I was able to get the belt over the pulley. I used a socket to turn the alternator to help assist the belt over the lip.

here is a video of my test idle:



now lets see how it works this week!
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Isn't #3 in that picture the AC compressor? I thought #5 was the PS pump. The wife has the Vibe this morning or else I'd go look myself.

WS, I'm not seeing your video.
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here is a diagram of my belt system:


the PS pump is the one on the far left
it is all on one belt or I would have removed it a long time ago
this is the matrix/ vibe engine diagram. the AC is the bottom right. the PS is the far left left.

lets try this way of linking a youtube:
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Great stuff. Do you think aba testing is possible? I don't think we've seen PS delete testing done.

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