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Old 03-18-2011, 08:25 AM   #71 (permalink)
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Wrong. You need to calculate mpg for the gasoline, like I have done for diesel.
Why would you calculate mpg for diesel, but not for any other fuel you put in your car ?
That veggie oil could have been recycled and used for another, even better purpose than burning it.

Using the same reasoning, folks running biodiesel of E85 could change their fuel logs to only show the amount of straight diesel and gas they burn.

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Old 03-18-2011, 08:40 AM   #72 (permalink)
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So can I! With my 4 liter Mustang. Since the gasoline I buy at Safeway is up to 10% ethanol, I often exceed 300 MPG (of ethanol).
Once again wrong. Your "gasoline mileage" would increase by about 10%.




It seems the general consensus it that the modifications need to improve the vehicles efficiency. My modifications improve my vehicles efficiency, it uses less diesel fuel....er "gas" (for you Honda drivers), per mile driven. It seems to be etched in your brains that one needs to "work for their savings" by doing things like driving like an a-hole and using belly pans, and ridiculous hub caps.

What do you people think will happen if your car is turned off and a deer runs in front of your car? What about the ABS, the airbag, the seatbelt pre-tensioners? You will be pumping your brakes to make up for the lack of ABS (if the road is slick, and because you have your tires at 50 psi) and next thing you know all the vacuum will be gone and no more power brakes either.


I drive responsibly, I use my vehicle the way it was designed and still save a bunch of money. And, a lot of you do so much work to get 50 mpg, I also have a '03 TDI Jetta and get 48-50 MPG without so much as trying. (I'm sure you'll call that a lie too, feel free)
 
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That veggie oil could have been recycled and used for another, even better purpose than burning it.
Legit question here. Like what?
 
Old 03-18-2011, 09:18 AM   #74 (permalink)
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Legit question here. Like what?
The easiest and cheapest solution is indeed to burn it ... so sadly that's what happens most often.
Though that can be done a lot more efficiently than in an old if not ancient car.

In Belgium :
87% gets processed into biodiesel - so it still gets burned inefficiently.
11% is burned to produce electricity and/or steam - the combination being the most efficient.
2% is being re-used in industrial lubes and soaps.


After processing, waste vegetable oil could even be re-used for the same purpose, but EU regulations forbid recycling for human food or feedstock applications.
We've had a bit of troubles with some greasy criminals mixing engine oils etc. into the feedstock.
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My "ancient" car can actually handle the WVO better than a modern car with closer tolerances. No computer controls, and best of all, NO EMISSIONS, no EGR, no cat, no ECM. It may seem ancient to Europe but, there are over 120,000 W123's like mine still on the road in the US. Damn the inefficiency if you're a commie.....oh well, the fuel is cheaper over here.

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Old 03-18-2011, 11:43 AM   #76 (permalink)
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You need to calculate mpg for the gasoline, like I have done for diesel.
But I'm getting more mpg, by just calculating the mpg for alcohol!
 
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But I'm getting more mpg, by just calculating the mpg for alcohol!
Like I said, I could add 1 drop of WVO to my diesel tank and say I got 40,000 mpg, and list that because it is a higher number. I am posting the numbers that I actually get from real world driving and real world use. The BS numbers you are posting to try and prove that I am doing it wrong only prove that you don't know what you're talking about.

My Toyota Tacoma can get 300 mpg then too using your BS formula.

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Like I said, I could add 1 drop of WVO to my diesel tank and say I got 40,000 mpg, and list that because it is a higher number. I am posting the numbers that I actually get from real world driving and real world use. The BS numbers you are posting to try and prove that I am doing it wrong only prove that you don't know what you're talking about.

My Toyota Tacoma can get 300 mpg then too using your BS formula.

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Okay, explain us. your average is 122 MPG. How much diesel and how much WVO you combusted in your car to travel 122miles ? Only 1gallon WVO ?? (or 1 gal diesel and xx gallons WVO?)
make your statement idiot-proof that cannot be understand differently.

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I'm really confused why there is even an argument... the Fuel Log is quite clear:


It asks for "fuel used". If you want to show that you got your fuel for free, or mixed free fuel with some ratio of purchased fuel, then you show that in the "Price" field. That's where you show how economical you are from a price paid standpoint. The "fuel used" field shows how economical you are from fuel consumption standpoint (regardless where the fuel came from). They are two different measures.

It's honestly not all that complicated.
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Well I think thats enough here. Darin will make the changes necessary to eliminate cars from the rankings that don't follow forum rules on how to account for fuel usage. No need to argue further.

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