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Old 12-07-2010, 12:43 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Oh, I just pulled it outta my .......

no, wait. It's in the link.
Just absent minded (didn't see a second page).

In that case shouldn't it be $1.9 to $2.7 billion for 143 to 173 (a tenth of the fleet initially, forty percent after that, then the whole fleet) lives and more than 10500 injuries? Just counting the lives lost that's initially about $13+ million per death excluding injuries, and probably ~$4 million per death after the stuff becomes commoditized.

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Oh, I thought maybe my chain wuz bean yanked.

Yes I should have included the whole range. Ya know I cain't hardly put two an two tagether sometimes.

Here's one viewpoint from someone with exposure to these:

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I drove tour bus for years and had a camera on the back of the bus. It was the most worthless thing on it. During the winter it got covered by snow. When the bus was washed it was no longer in adjustment to show what it should. When it rained you couldn't see what the camera was showing. Stupid idea, since most people are lazy and will not clean the thing or make sure that it is working. Most people right now are to lazy to make sure ALL the lights on their vehicle work, how can we expect them to use a camera?
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The low tire pressure warning system was estimated by our overbearing gov't to cost only $50 more per vehicle, but when I was told I HAD to have the sensors replaced in 3 of my tires, they quoted me $125 EACH. What a crock!!! Don't believe these lowball gov't estimates.
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If shops ripping people off was really indicative of government safety regs I think cars would have been banned decades ago.
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If shops ripping people off was really indicative of government safety regs I think cars would have been banned decades ago.
Yeah, its a total ripoff. I mean, I bet the part cost next to nothing, like these that you can get almost anywhere:
Airaware/Tire Pressure Monitoring Sensor (28360) | Tire Pressure Monitoring Sensor | 2010 Toyota Camry SE 6 Cylinders K 3.5L EFI DOHC | AutoZone.com

And then they want to get paid to remove a tire, unmount the tire, replace the sensor, and reinstall? I cant believe the snakes! I always double check to make sure they arent ripping me off with www.repairpal.com. Usually they are chargin me through the roof, like the shop that reprogrammed my sister VW drivetrain, powertrain, and BCM computers $100. I bet with minor amounts of training and a $8000 computer I could do it too.


Really, check prices. Not everyone is ripping off customer, but sometimes its convenient for an argument to claim it is happening.



Oh, Franky, I was actually defending you with blatant sarcasm. Sorry for entertaining the competition for stupid questions.
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Yeah, its a total ripoff. I mean, I bet the part cost next to nothing, like these that you can get almost anywhere:
Airaware/Tire Pressure Monitoring Sensor (28360) | Tire Pressure Monitoring Sensor | 2010 Toyota Camry SE 6 Cylinders K 3.5L EFI DOHC | AutoZone.com

And then they want to get paid to remove a tire, unmount the tire, replace the sensor, and reinstall? I cant believe the snakes! I always double check to make sure they arent ripping me off with Auto Repair and Maintenance Estimates | Auto Shop and Mechanic Ratings : RepairPal. Usually they are chargin me through the roof, like the shop that reprogrammed my sister VW drivetrain, powertrain, and BCM computers $100. I bet with minor amounts of training and a $8000 computer I could do it too.


Really, check prices. Not everyone is ripping off customer, but sometimes its convenient for an argument to claim it is happening.



Oh, Franky, I was actually defending you with blatant sarcasm. Sorry for entertaining the competition for stupid questions.
If the brand new TPMS sensors on a brand new car are going out then it's a moot point unless someone is driving ~35k+ miles/year. Of course they're going to be expensive if it's brand spankin' new and probably still covered by the factory warranty.

Based on a quick search someone is looking at way less than $250 each outside of the warranty period. I can't seem to find the forum Frank is quoting, so I can't say if they are overcharging or not, but realistically the costs should be ~$25+ to install the sensor plus whatever the sensor costs and I bet the shop the person was complaining about charged way more than that. I've been quoted $1500 to install a new wp/rad, which is roughly $200 of parts and $1300 of labor, and the same goes for other stuff like O2 sensors, oil seals, and so on. Labor rates are incredibly high these days. Obviously if I can't afford a the equipment then I'm gonna have to shell out the cash no matter what, but that doesn't mean that auto repairs, and repairs in general still don't border on obscene these days.
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Based on a quick search someone is looking at way less than $250 each outside of the warranty period.
I have to believe that you are having a hard time managing your thought process. the cost from the forum that the guy was complaining about was $150, not $250. And, to remove a tire from the vehicle, dismount, change the stem sensor, remount, balance, reset the computer... I think that is worth more than $25. Sorry, some people get paid for what they know and what they can do.
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I have to believe that you're acting like an ass!

IME unmounting/mounting a tire runs $15, so no, I don't think being able to unscrew a sensor a put a new one on is worth more than $10 (Add ~$10-20 for balancing I suppose, but I doubt it'll need it unless the new TPMS is drastically different compared to the old one). People get paid what the market will bear. If a company wants to charge $100/hour in labor and all the other companies do the same then that's what's gonna happen, but that doesn't make $100/hour reasonable.
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Based on a quick search someone is looking at way less than $250 each...
Aftermarket $89 for four tires, here: Tire Rack : Tire Pressure Monitoring Systems
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oh god, as seen one tv. How does the weight on the end of the valve stem effect life of said valve stem. AND, will these serve as a replacement for the factory placement and interface with the factory computer. if you dont do this, is it ok to have the tire light on in the vehicle while you own it? when you try to sell it? I just ask these questions because we should be talking about the average consumer. frank would put tape over the light on the dash

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