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Old 10-08-2014, 10:10 AM   #21 (permalink)
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FTM, exactly what is wrong with using two cars for the small fraction of your life that you go on a holiday that involves driving?
God forbid you rent a minivan once a year.

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Old 10-08-2014, 04:17 PM   #22 (permalink)
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God forbid you rent a minivan once a year.
Ironically, the only time I've rented any vehicles was to perform my own "long-term" driver evaluation of a vehicle...which entailed driving it from Tucson, AZ, to either Yuma, AZ, or Los Angeles (in-city testing). And, both times, we decided NOT to buy the vehicles (both mini-vans).
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Old 10-09-2014, 05:43 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Alfa 4C, Miata, VW XL1, LOTUS Exige and the like are all two seaters !

So you would have to use 2 to go on holidays with wife and kids ...
Most of the time people drive by themselves or with 1 other person. Rent a van for trips.
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Old 10-09-2014, 08:06 AM   #24 (permalink)
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Wow, wouldn't have expected such a shields rising.

I'm not blaming those nice two seaters, I would love to afford to own one, I was just pondering the "poor weight improvement" about the concept we were discussing.
Somehow, a car's performance can be rated against alike competitors or it is just unfair.

And in "alike", I put number of passenger, range, price, boot size and convenience (here, read manual vs auto).

FWIW, I am building my family's new mobility scenario with a single electric car, biking and rent ...

Renault's EOLAB could offset the need for rent with money and convenience as a payback ...
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Somehow, a car's performance can be rated against alike competitors or it is just unfair.
But what matters, though, is the vehicle performance to you as an owner. So doing most of your driving in an already-efficient 2-seater does more for your bottom line than improving the efficiency of a 6+ passenger vehicle that goes 99% of its miles with one passenger at most.

Same reasoning applies to the general population: convincing the 40% or more of the population that they'd be just as happy with 2-seaters cuts fuel consumption more than improving efficiency of the unnecessarily-large cars they have been persuaded to buy.
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Old 10-09-2014, 01:52 PM   #26 (permalink)
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It's doing the same as a XL1 already !

Let's put it another way :

There is a bottom limit to the efficiency of a gas or diesel engine.
Even an electric vehicle's consumption can be addressed in terms of efficiency (remember a third of electricity is wasted on heat in the wire).

My point is you can reach that bottom and then work for more potential out of those kWs !
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Wow, wouldn't have expected such a shields rising.

I'm not blaming those nice two seaters, I would love to afford to own one, I was just pondering the "poor weight improvement" about the concept we were discussing.
Somehow, a car's performance can be rated against alike competitors or it is just unfair.
Well I wasn't really trying to argue that, I was just pointing out that even 2 seaters are starting to get pretty heavy. If the Renault is really 995kg that would be extremely impressive.

Nowadays you have mass production carbon fiber cars like the i3, 4C, and I guess you might be able to call the McLarens "mass production" with reasonable looking curb weights, but the cost of the carbon fiber chassis is still staggering, and their curb weights are not really that low.
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It sure is a good way to reduce the size of the wake ...

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