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Old 02-24-2011, 11:52 AM   #51 (permalink)
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Gov. Walker & the Republican legislative majority in Wisconsin want to strip union rights from all state employees. Just how balanced and middle ground is a complete lack of unions?
Remember Newton? "Every action produces an equal but opposite reaction"? Works in politics as well. You get any extreme, like unions being way too powerful, and that creates a bunch of people calling for the opposite extreme.

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It leaves all state employees in Wisconsin unable to bargain collectively. This is wacko mega government control stripping workers' rights away, and you're complaining about UNION extortion?
Yes, because I can't see that the unions are bargaining, or otherwise working, for ME. (Or were back in the days when I was forced to belong to a union in order to work.) They're working first for the power & privilege of the union bosses (no different than corporate CEOs), then for the political goals of the union activists (many of which I oppose), and finally for the least common denominator workers, the slackers and incompetents who wouldn't keep their jobs if not protected by unions.

 
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Old 02-24-2011, 01:59 PM   #52 (permalink)
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I thought this thread was about unions, schools, benefits and the position of a governor of a state. As usual, it is turning into a general Leftist harangue about everything imaginable.
Of course, we haven't seen any rightist harangues blaming the 8500 GVW emissions exemptions on school busing, or any other kooky rightist diatribes about how fair and balanced things would be with no unions cluttering up workers' rights to be exploited. No sirree! Your agenda is crystal clear, just like Scott Walker's.
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Remember Newton? "Every action produces an equal but opposite reaction"? Works in politics as well. You get any extreme, like unions being way too powerful, and that creates a bunch of people calling for the opposite extreme.
Yep, it's called a "backlash" and it's very common in politics, utilized by both Right and Left.

In this case however, it's the Left that is having a screaming fit in response to it.


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Yes, because I can't see that the unions are bargaining, or otherwise working, for ME. (Or were back in the days when I was forced to belong to a union in order to work.) They're working first for the power & privilege of the union bosses (no different than corporate CEOs), then for the political goals of the union activists (many of which I oppose), and finally for the least common denominator workers, the slackers and incompetents who wouldn't keep their jobs if not protected by unions.
All true. There is no real balance in the political realm; it's a landscape of extremes. That's how the sordid game is played.
 
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Of course, we haven't seen any rightist harangues blaming the 8500 GVW emissions exemptions on school busing, or any other kooky rightist diatribes about how fair and balanced things would be with no unions cluttering up workers' rights to be exploited. No sirree! Your agenda is crystal clear, just like Scott Walker's.
Again, my point is that school buses ARE exempt and remain so. The Leftie Greenies are the ones who lobbied that cars have to have stringent pollution controls, but it didn't apply to school buses. That's a political fact and it smacks of hypocrisy, as school buses have continued to stink for many decades and still do today.

Call it the stench of public education, if you like.
 
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Which scenario seems more reasonable to you: a bunch of hated leftist greenies hypocritically and purposely exempt school buses from the Clean Air Act for some conspiratorial under-the-table agreement with their leftist civil rights co-conspirators?

Or, heaven forbid: big right wing business lobbyists whine to their congressmen that those leftist clean air requirements are going to bankrupt them, put American workers out of work, and cripple the economy so we can't compete with yellow-skinned/brown-skinned cheap foreign competitors?

Yep, it's those leftists to blame every time.
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Again, my point is that school buses ARE exempt and remain so. The Leftie Greenies are the ones who lobbied that cars have to have stringent pollution controls, but it didn't apply to school buses. That's a political fact and it smacks of hypocrisy, as school buses have continued to stink for many decades and still do today.

Call it the stench of public education, if you like.
Maybe in your backwoods county. In the county of my hometown, schools are required to replace or retrofit all non-ARB compliant buses by 2016. I'm sure that lefties wanted to do it sooner, but "conservatives" would have howled at the cost.
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Again, my point is that school buses ARE exempt and remain so. The Leftie Greenies are the ones who lobbied that cars have to have stringent pollution controls, but it didn't apply to school buses. That's a political fact and it smacks of hypocrisy, as school buses have continued to stink for many decades and still do today.

Call it the stench of public education, if you like.
Could I just ask, how many School Buses carrying 10-30 kids are there compared to, say, oversized SUVs carrying one person on US roads every morning ?

Just asking.
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I'd like to know too. As I previously noted, due to a thing called "open enrollment", we are bussing kids not only within their districts, but to neighboring districts as well. I would imagine the annual U.S. school bus miles accrued has SKYROCKETED. And people wonder why schools cost so much...

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