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Old 08-17-2008, 01:24 AM   #51 (permalink)
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Old 08-30-2008, 09:22 PM   #52 (permalink)
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Sorry guys I really wish I had gotten to work on this a heck of a lot more; however at this point I'm boarding up the house + packing up to run away from Gustav.

Bilge pump does work; however poorly. I want to find a pc water cooling pump.
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between dodging Pontiacs and hurricanes you have had a tough summer
hang in there - projects are secondary

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Another Option Seat Cooling

Saw them at SEMA; talked to 2 random people who had them in their vehicles in Houston and were satisfied.
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Dremd,
looks like a good prospect
my cool or heat seat is dead - mechanics I think are okay - but cover falling apart/off
I was rolling around something like your link in my mind
maybe next summer?

Did you get any comments on the noise of the the fans?
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Did you get any comments on the noise of the the fans?
I did not; I was browsing the new products showcase, and 2 guys walked by saying something along the lines of "there's the one we install" I got like 15 seconds before they were gone.
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I know it's not the time of year most think of seat coolers but just got into this thread and wanted to throw out a few ideas...

Flojet - ITT Flojet is a maker of pumps that are a little more industrial and larger than other suggestions I've seen and probably cost a bit more, but they're quiet and have published pressure/flow ratings (you can e-mail them for a pressure/flow curve once you select your configuration) and they sell in both AC and DC applications. I'm a bit familiar with their product as one of the machines I work on at work uses these.

Taking the function of that machine and I saw a natural extrapolation into the seat chiller. I don't know about silicon (doesn't that have very good thermal insulation properties?), but I am familiar with Tygon (tygothane) tubing. My only concerns there would be preventing the tube line from getting squished off closed from sitting/leaning on it. A harder nylon tubing might be good from a heat transfer standpoint, but it is *hard* and might be a pea to a few princesses.

Using this pump you could pull water in from a cold sink and pump out to a tee. One branch of the tee has a flow control valve and circulates through the seat and dumps back into the cold sink. The other branch of the tee is the bypass and dumps back into the cold sink. If the pressure/flow requirements of the seat circuit don't line up with those of the flow control you can put the FCV on the bypass, but then the adjustment is intuitively backwards (open the valve to reduce seat flow and vice-versa).

Additionally I was thinking the ice/cooler as a cold sink isn't really necessary if the vehicle has A/C already. It is possible to run the A/C in a manner to minimize the FE hit, so go ahead and run it on recirculate mode on the lowest fan setting. Wrap a copper line around the evaporator coil and use that as your cold sink. Just tie one end of the copper to the pump inlet and take both your seat return and bypass lines into a tee on the other end of the copper line. Your evaporator will get cold but the refrigerant low pressure switch will cycle the compressor off to prevent freeze-up. Getting the compressor into this cycle-off mode minimizes compressor run-time but still keeps the evaporator cold, allowing your seat heater to work. Insulating the lines between the evaporator and the pump and in the bypass circuit should help keep the fluid cold so you aren't pushing heat onto the evaporator unnecessarily.

How about a loop of tube with a sleeve over it you could pull over each shoulder and run down your neck? Cooling your jugular will cool you off fast. Just need a loop on each side with a stiffener/wire in it so that it hold its form where you put it (nothing to choke you of course).

Side benefit of this system is it could work as a seat heater when the A/C is off and the heater is on. The hot air in the blower housing would heat the water which you could pump into your cold seat. Doesn't help until the heat is blowing, but would still be faster than waiting for the cabin to warm.
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MechEngVT,

you do bring a good point to mind - using existing systems better

what if you ducted a small amount of air (AC/Heat) to your seat
all it would take is some tubing & an bit of plastic mesh like in Dremd's link
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it would get you warmer or cooler faster
and even if you did not have AC you would get some evaporative cooling (sweat)
and maybe no more sticking to the seat

the whole system would be much simpler than what we have been discussing
because it would just piggy back on what is already in the vehicle
controls/fan/power supply are all waiting to be used

just a thought
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Project is back on!
I wish it was already working!
Going to collect parts for the next 2 weeks until I get a weekend off.

The Bilge pump I used last year is now dead (was 10+ years old already).

I'm considering the 500 pump here Attwood V-Series Charts because it can be had for $17 at wallmart. I'd rather a PC cooling pump, but this is soo much cheaper.

I think I'm going to re-build my heat spreader (tubes in seat) using much much more tubing and 4 "6 way" drip irrigation splitters.

So basically
<aquarium tube>
<aquarium tube>
<aquarium tube>
(Seat back) 6way split<aquarium tube> 6 way split>
<aquarium tube>
< aquarium tube>
Pump- 3/4" tube-T< T-Return tube
<aquarium tube>
<aquarium tube>
<aquarium tube>
(Seat seat) 6way split<aquarium tube> 6 way split>
<aquarium tube>
< aquarium tube>

That should give me about double flow capacity and should get the cheaper pump out of surge and spread the heat out better for a similar total cost + amp draw of a PC cooling pump.


Can anybody think of a small cheap radiator that might fit in my A/C duct?
Or should I just try and wrap some copper tubing around the return line?

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