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Model 3 deliveries were lower than expected.
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Also possibly due to having to do re-work on "completed" cars?
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07-02-2018, 12:25 PM
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07-02-2018, 04:35 PM
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Also possibly due to having to do re-work on "completed" cars?
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Not likely, that's been going on for a while. it wouldn't crop up just now like that.
Tesla was on the brink of passing 200.000 deliveries to US clients, which is the threshold for building off the $7500 per car subsidy, as measured at each quarter.
So they stored their cars in the factory (presumably) instead of sending them out to customers, which would have had them miss out on hundreds of millions of dollars in subsidies.
No problem, the factory is gigantic. Space plenty for all those cars.
But not if it includes a 3rd production line...
But then several hundred million dollars is enough to make it worthwhile to build a temporary tent outside the factory to house that third production line. July will see many car deliveries and I bet the teardown of the tent. Or the proud announcement of a 4th production line.
We'll see.
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07-02-2018, 08:21 PM
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"But would you want a car built in a messy factory, by a company still figuring out how to make its products, by both robots and people that are past their breaking points?"
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https://jalopnik.com/tesla-did-it-wi...ats-1827285289
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07-04-2018, 07:37 PM
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Apparently there are 420,000 people willing to pony up the cash to still say “yes.”
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To me, that isn't surprising. The Bolt's a good long range EV. At the same time GM also killed off the EV1, sold Cobasys to Texaco, and tried to cover up defective parts that killed people.
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07-05-2018, 08:43 AM
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The Model 3 will make its European debut at the Goodwood Festival of Speed next week:
https://www.motor1.com/news/251216/t...-3-euro-debut/
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07-11-2018, 06:15 PM
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Now the Model 3's are getting out in greater number there's more first hand experience available and inevitably there are comparisons made to other cars.
Here a Model 3 owner compares his car to a Model S 100 D he loaned for the weekend... and the result is surprising!
The Model S has nicer door handles, a car shaped key fob, electric remote boot control BUT worse seats, less head room, less elegant controls, worse audio despite the premium package, motor whine and double the price tag. It is more powerful too, but hardly feels like it.
His words of course. YMMV.
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07-11-2018, 06:31 PM
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Always appreciate reviews of any sort, but owner reviews should be regarded with an extra grain of salt, since owners tend to look through rose-colored lenses and thereby confirm their choice.
The 100D has a 0-60 of 3.6 seconds compared to Model 3 time of 4.6 seconds. That's fairly significant, and should be plainly obvious to any driver.
I'm sure that for $40k+, the Model 3 is a very nice car.
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07-12-2018, 04:09 AM
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Always appreciate reviews of any sort, but owner reviews should be regarded with an extra grain of salt, since owners tend to look through rose-colored lenses and thereby confirm their choice.
The 100D has a 0-60 of 3.6 seconds compared to Model 3 time of 4.6 seconds. That's fairly significant, and should be plainly obvious to any driver.
I'm sure that for $40k+, the Model 3 is a very nice car.
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There's rose colored reviews and there's bad press. We can take all at face value.
This owner is obviously happy with his Model 3, but as he compares several things point by point I thought it wasn't too bad.
He knows the Model S is faster, but also mentions it does not feel like that from the inside. You can feel acceleration but you can't feel speed or power.
A bigger car will seem slower than a small car just because of the longer wheel base; the time it takes before the rears hit the same bump as the fronts gives a false impression of speed or lack thereof to those accustomed to a different wheel base.
He does mention good things on the Model S, like the air suspension and the ability to raise or lower it; most notably, if you raise the suspension to clear a driveway entry it will remember the location and raise automatically from then on.
He mentions Tesla might do a complete refresh of the Model S, but as for now and value for money counting, he prefers the Model 3.
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