Water into Gas? WTF?

[Katana]

I never said it would work, running a normal ICE on hydro would never work without redesigning the engine.
I only linked to the PDF so that if people wanted to look at the scam they could without paying.
Anyway if you could generate hydrogen and store it, hydrogen fuel cells would be coming out a lot sooner, but hydrogen storage is the biggest problem and whoever solves it will be worth a fortune.

[ConnClark]

I think Escher is the first to stumble on this new physics theory

[Doofus McFancypants]

On the Altima forum a guy purchasd a kit and was working on it.
His results were WIDELY varied - some showed improvement - some showed worse mileage. Was the improvement based on the HHO system, or was he using soem FE techniques cause he was paying attention to his driving more?

You are basically adding the gas (H2) to run your engine lean. Not sure if there is really a power gain to it - but the efficiency is driven my leaning out the engine.

MANY guys jumped on that thread about the "sillyness" of running the engine lean without a wideband O2 sensor to actually see the ratio - as to lean is very very bad.

Does running lean improve fuel economy? Honda things so ( lean burn mode)
is ti something a DIY person can emulate? Not likely
Will a kit on the internet solve the energy issues? the CONCEPT is based on a reality (lean burn) - but the execution is very poor and there are MANY scammers out there who will jump ANYTHING to make a buck.

I wish someone with more engine experience could do Independant verification of the systems in realworld enviroments on real cars. Then i would think this has some legs - Until then, i consider it someone taking a real item ( lean burn) and trying to capitoloze on it to make some $$.

But that is just my $0.011 ( 2 cents adjusted for the weak dollar)

[dcb]

Originally Posted by ConnClark

I think Escher is the first to stumble on this new physics theory

LOL!!

[Doofus McFancypants]

And that may be the catch.
the energy needed to convert the water offsets any benifit you get in adding to the fuel as a lean burn agent ( expecially if you include all the needed equipment to fool the ECU to not compensate for the O2 sensor signal showing the engine is running lean.

theory sounds nice - execution may be something completely different.

still would like to see some actual data to support either side.

steve

[wumpus]

Two notes:

1. Adding water vapor to the intake air often improves efficiency. Look into this before playing with "electrolysis" games.

2. Commercial hydrogen generation starts with natural gas, not water. If you really wanted hydrogen in your fuel intake (you don't), try braking up your gasoline to generate H2. Anyone who suggests using water is full of BS. I'm sure you've see countless proofs of why electrolysis is ineffective. If H2 was so wonderful: why aren't you hooking up to your house's CH4 supply and generating much cheaper H2?