Hydrogen Generator Experiment

[whitevette]

Originally Posted by whitevette

The Scangauge arrived last Thurs. I installed it (temporarily) in the P.O. parking lot...calibrated it when I got home. Took car on a short trip Fri. In 3 days I had covered 151 miles, the mileage figures are rather impressive ( I am still unsure of Scan. accuracy). Playing with bench electrolysis now...will polish & install shortly. Stay tuned....

Scangauge is working just fine...I still haven't figured out how to call up lots of the info. "ports", but I'm not interested in "coolant temp." or trip parameters. I'm just using instantaneous MPG, average MPG, and % throttle opening.
Years ago, I installed a SpaceKom" MPG computer...which worked very well ( I didn't agree with their calibration techniques...but what do I know?). This analog meter was a clever infra-red fuel flow sensor, a speed sensor ( spliced into the speedo cable) and a computation circuit in the milliammeter read-out. For some unknown reason , the co. was sold to another...which then went bankrupt. But the unit was great! It showed the effects of hills ( up & down) on the "instantaneous" MPG ( displayed every 1/5 sec.) ... and there was no averaging capability.
Why bring this up? The SpaceKom taught me the many variables to the MPG resulting number. Thus, I could really "get a feel" for this OBD-II port-driven digital unit. It seems to respond in the same manner as the analog; ie. the response to the real world conditions seem the same... the deltas appear to be the same.
Now that this creature is stabilized, I can begin applying my hydrogen-oxygen generator design. The Internet is loaded with these "HHO" / "HOH" / oxyhydrogen / Brown's Gas creatures...but the efficiency of conversion(s) are dismal. I can do better. Stay tuned....

P.S. My modified gasoline - in my test mule - is producing an average MPG read-out (on the Scangauge) of 42-44 MPG ... on a daily basis. The Scangauge apparently won't hold the daily average value through its long "sleep" cycle. OK by me....

The EPA published figures for the make / model / year of my "test mule" is (was...) 28-30 highway.
This was in 2002... the EPA has done a bit of adjusting since then ( but not this much!).

[tangomar]

Whitevette,

if your "bug poison" slows down the front flame how can it work well with the HHO generator that instead enhances the combustion by accelerating it?
Thanks for any explanation about it (don't know much about gas combustion and way to speed it up or slow it down). But you must have a plan in mind so I hope it works (and can save money and mostly the environment).

[silverknight]

I just put my cell together and will be doing some bench testing this week and weekend. Hopefully I will have some numbers to show and some youtube vids.

[hughey731]

Originally Posted by 88CRX

Any luck with this. A coworker metioned it to me acouple of months ago.

It seems like it won't work because it takes more energy to seperate the water molecule, than what you get out, when recombined.

But thier are so many people out there that swear to it. Even the cheap eBay bottle sellers get good reviews from the purchaser.

There must be something else going on here. Maybe small amoumts of hydrogen and oxygen added to the air/fuel mixture changes the burning characteristics???

Has anyone in this forum actually tried and got positive, no, or negative results?

I made a cell out of a mason jar with a plexiglass tower with stainless steele wire wraped around the tower. I had to leave out to Ak to goto work I lost power to the unit, saw no results. I ran the leads again and melted the plexiglass tower down. I did away with the tower and replaced it with 1/32 316L stainless tig wire bent in the shape of a old radiator heater. I gained a little about 25 miles on a nearly 400 mile trip but still had to many amps to the cell. Now I have a 5 cell unit mounted in the bed of my 2001 dodge dakota ext. cab 3.8L. I had a six cell unit but I wanted to actually test the gas production to make sure it was actually making combustable gas so I hooked one cell to the battery of my truck. A little bubble appeared below the positive terminal on the cell. I pulled out my lighter, stuck it to the bubble it sounded like a 12 gauge shotgun. It blew the lid which was made of plastic to pieces. But left the jar in tact.

[whitevette]

Originally Posted by tangomar

Whitevette,

if your "bug poison" slows down the front flame how can it work well with the HHO generator that instead enhances the combustion by accelerating it?
Thanks for any explanation about it (don't know much about gas combustion and way to speed it up or slow it down). But you must have a plan in mind so I hope it works (and can save money and mostly the environment).

Stranger things have happened ... I don't say I know; I just try new things. Only a phool say "I know" what goes on in the mighty combustion chamber. If one change slows the flame front ( it certainly doesn't speed things up) and the other speeds things up, perhaps the net result is to "speed things up slower". I'm not trying to be funny...yes, there IS method to my madness....Stay tuned.

[hughey731]

I have a Five cell generator on my 2001 Dodge Dakota 3.8L. I have not got to take it on a long road trip as of yet but it is showing true potential. It seems to have more power than normal. It doesnt take nearly as much pedal to get to 70mph and runs smooth. When I get the oppratunity to test the milage gain I will post it, as of now I get 22mpg.



John Hughey

[ConnClark]

hmmmmm....

I have a new technique that shows results that are better than any real results from a hydrogen generator.

I took a few weeks off from thwarting people who claimed adding acetone to gas improved mileage. My mileage dropped to 22.18 mpg from an average of 23.8. I once again started thwarting their arguments and my mileage jumped back up to 24.2 mpg.

Some how I think I can get the same mileage gain from thwarting the arguments and claims of hydrogen generator proponents that power their hydrogen generators off their engine's alternator.

As I have stated before....

I hate the draconian, oppressive, and unfair First,Second, and Third laws of thermodynamics as much as anyone. However I will live by these laws until someone finds a way to subvert or repeal them.

[lovemysan]

Originally Posted by Formula413

Do all cars have these? I had never seen or heard of one before, I don't believe either of my cars has one.

Really? I thought all gm cars were map sensor based engine control. Generally you'll have either a maf or map sensor based system. I wonder what the burb has.

[Formula413]

Originally Posted by lovemysan

Really? I thought all gm cars were map sensor based engine control. Generally you'll have either a maf or map sensor based system. I wonder what the burb has.

But this isn't the MAP sensor we are talking about. This is a barometer that would presumably feed the computer altitude info so the computer would know the oxygen content of the air. I had never heard of it before, that's why I was questioning it.

FWIW, my Escort has a MAF while my Firebird has both a MAF and a MAP. Earlier versions of that same engine had no MAF.

[Indianapolis500]

I work at a mcdonalds I take it running off of burger and oil fat for cars is way lot cleaner then then running off of pure hydrogen (or did we forget about the lindenburgh accident) ??????