03-08-2011, 12:26 PM
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03-13-2011, 10:56 AM
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Here is a interesting test of magnets on a ferry ship. excuse my lack of skill with working with links. This is another diy magnet forum. You can go to this site for some pictures and you can contact the poster for updates. http--groups.yahoo.com-group-diy_magnet_use-files-%20Red%20Star%20-RedStarFerries3.JPG----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Cybercat <paolo_sassetti@yahoo.it>
To: diy_magnet_use@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, May 20, 2010 2:50:02 AM
Subject: [diy_magnet_use] New test on a ship
A test carried out on two of the four Caterpillar engines installed on an Italian ship is showing me savings well higher than 10%.
The two engines with my magnetic solution installed on board have a power of about 1,500 power horses each. This means, on average a saving of more than 300 liters of diesel oil per day for two engines and of 600 liters for all the four engines.
I conceived The Twin Engines Comparison Test, particularly suitable for fast catamarans, and I believe that this field test this may meet the highest test quality requirements: in fact, all modern fast catamarans have at least two twin engines which work under the same external conditions (load, sea conditions, engine speed, maintenance, type of fuel, etc.). Since the engines are used to be fed by separate tanks, this is the optimal experimental situation in order to compare the performances (consumption and emissions) of the two twin engines when they are subject to all the same conditions, but one.
Once I have signed a contract with this ship owner, I will disclose all the data and the name of the ship.
Best regards,
Paolo
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03-13-2011, 11:12 AM
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For the test to have been considered anything short of ridiculous, the fuel for both magnetized and non magnetized engines should have come from the same bulk fuel container, drawn at the same time, in real time. Since the tester claims that both engines are experiencing the same circumstances all the time, they should be drawing relatively the same amount of fuel at all times. Therefore, monitoring the fuel return's flow would show that one engine was using more or less fuel than the other.
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03-13-2011, 11:45 AM
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Admin note: Belated response following discussion in this thread ( http://ecomodder.com/forum/showthrea...hho-15935.html )...
The Unicorn Corral subforum has been created, and this thread is its first inductee.
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03-13-2011, 11:54 AM
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Once I have signed a contract with this ship owner, I will disclose all the data and the name of the ship.
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i'm willing to bet that i will die before he discloses the data
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03-13-2011, 01:01 PM
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03-13-2011, 01:21 PM
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They never run one engine harder than the other while docking? There are no other equipment using the fuel (such as gen-sets)? They always alternate the engine started first? They never shut one down to clear debris from the prop/jets while leaving the other running to maneuver? They have fire suppression pumps on both engines and use each the same amount in drills?
I worked on 65 foot 100 pax cat's for 5 years, (ran them the last 3) I was with the company. These things were normal for us.
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03-17-2011, 07:28 PM
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Tried Magnets on my Volvo 280 ten years ago at the urging of a friend who was selling them as a sideline. He gave me a set to try out claiming they worked but knowing more than he did about engines, I was utterly unconvinced. I put them on anyway just for the hell of it because at that time I had not done any research on the matter.
They did nothing.
What helped was taking off my roof racks.
Magnetism is very well understood by scientists. It can be used for many seemingly "magical" things but aligning gasoline molecules to boost fuel efficiency isn't one of them. Even if they did this, which they don't, the molecules would become unaligned almost immediately due to fluid dynamics between the magnet and the combustion chamber.
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03-18-2011, 04:59 PM
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Tried Magnets on my Volvo 280 ten years ago at the urging of a friend who was selling them as a sideline. He gave me a set to try out claiming they worked but knowing more than he did about engines, I was utterly unconvinced. I put them on anyway just for the hell of it because at that time I had not done any research on the matter.
They did nothing.
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That's because your mind wasn't open.
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What helped was taking off my roof racks.
Magnetism is very well understood by scientists. It can be used for many seemingly "magical" things but aligning gasoline molecules to boost fuel efficiency isn't one of them. Even if they did this, which they don't, the molecules would become unaligned almost immediately due to fluid dynamics between the magnet and the combustion chamber.
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Who are you going to believe? Centuries of scientific discovery resulting in space travel and laptop computers, or your own uneducated fevered imagination? Who?
Oh, good advice for anyone -- don't believe everything you think.
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03-18-2011, 05:20 PM
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So are we decided they don't work then ? Can this go into the Unicorn Corral ?
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