Brazilian law to allow police shoot anyone with a rifle.

[Fat Charlie]

Yeah, it doesn't matter what you feel, what matters is the actual results. Since most cons will eventually be released, what kind of people do you want reentering society? Giving them a good direction is more efficient overall (unless your job depends on keeping prison beds full).

[Xist]

My understanding is that you normally have a chance of being released early for good behavior, but in a private prison, they make excuses to keep you longer--and their contract provides quotas.

What if there are not enough inmates in a private prison?

Private prison demands New Mexico and feds find 300 more prisoners in 60 days or it will close

It closed, transferred prisoners to another prison it ran, and the government is trying to get $3.6 million in back taxes, claiming they used an invalid loophole: https://www.santafenewmexican.com/ne...d8b58f46f.html

[redpoint5]

I'm mostly ignorant on the topic of private prisons. I could be in favor of them so long as it has a non-biased regulatory body overseeing decisions that have conflicts of interest, such as keeping prisoners longer to boost revenue.

That said, there's generally very little difference between prisoners and prison guards. They're both in prison, interact with that population of people, and have varying degrees of skill in negotiating conflict.

My experience in public prison is that a guard flat out told me in my first week that his goal was to make me "lose my good time" (20% good behavior reduction). He would fake like he was going to punch me, or insult me in an attempt to illicit a reaction. One time he unlocked my footlocker, strewed about my stuff, and then wrote me up for having an unlocked footlocker and an unkept bunk.

I didn't lose a day of goodtime because I refused to sink to his level. In my mind, I was getting out in 10.4 months, and he would still be in prison. The other guards knew his character, and they knew mine, so he really didn't have much leeway in what he could get away with. Most of the control he had over me is what I would give to him by reacting, which was nothing. My celly (bunkmate) got rolled up (sent to another prison) inside of a week because he let that punk officer get to him.

[Fat Charlie]

The concept offends me on a fundamental level.

I'm not going to listen to a mall cop any more than I'm going to listen to any other employee of the mall. Why should we subject our own people to incarceration by mall cops? Arrest, trial and punishment are civic functions and it's important that they stay that way: if we're going to treat people that way, we should own it.

There's already too much of a profit motive with public servants (I got more busts, we seized more property, I'm known as tough on crime). I even drove through a town a couple months ago whose only industry was a 15 mph speed limit on the state road and a radar gun. The guy in front of me got nailed. We don't need the profit motive to be more literal and hidden behind a corporate board.

[freebeard]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

That said, there's generally very little difference between prisoners and prison guards.

Dylan said it most eloquently.

Originally Posted by DDG

Prisoners and Guards: Bob Dylan'S Coverage of The American ...
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Sometimes I think this whole world / Is one big prison yard. / Some of us are prisoners / The rest of us are guards. —Bob Dylan, "George Jackson"

Fat Charlie — Capitalism isn't the hammer for every nail. Enforcing social contracts is a legitimate function of the libertarian state. Like enforcing the borders.

[Xist]

Leave your locker unlocked, have a bad day.

I think that we discussed a Cracked page about someone's experience in prison. He wrote that many guards wanted to be cops, but had anger management problem, which was a terrible combination.

Do guards start out decent, but prisoners bring them down? Do prisoners start out okay, but guards bring them down?

Is it one vicious circle?

[cRiPpLe_rOoStEr]

Originally Posted by All Darc

Violent very criminals should be put dow. And also do not breed. But underage... ?? What is the age limit to you think it's wrong to kill anyone carrying a rifle at a favela ???

Nowadays that we see kids as young as 11 commiting crimes and not showing a single sign of regret when they're catched...

[Fat Charlie]

11 year olds are children. A child's lack of regret for committing a crime has to be read differently than your or my lack of regret.

By having written off these areas for so long, the state is an active participant in the conditions that these kids are "raised" in and bears a great deal of responsibility for them. They shouldn't meet that responsibility by shooting children.

[All Darc]

There should be a license to have kids as there is already a license to drive. Stupid and horrible human beings, with poor morals, should be forbidden of bried.
State allow kids to grow in horrible families with horrible and ignorant parents that are terrible examples and terrible citizens. So the state somehow have responsability.

But church and conservative people think reprodution it's holly and everyone, even the most horrible people, should be allowed to bried. And they are also against abortion even when the fetus have no brain or no nervous system yet.

Stupid people nowadays are making ou civilization dumber, since they are the ones who most have lids today, and the one that most use drugs and alcoholl, many even during pregnancy. They are passing more bad genes, since intelligent people that are good citizens today have fewer kids.

Leftwing don't want to hear about genetics, since for them everything can be blammed to reacism and social differences. And they teach stupid people to only blame other people. They also support drugs.

As you can see rightwing and leftwing have politics that don't help.

In future we will see the consequences of dumb and drug users high bried rates, There will be lower incidence of genes linked to intelligence and higher incidence of genes linked to addiction and violent behavior.
But I bet we are already seeing it... in some degree.

[redpoint5]

As I said, all girls of reproductive age should get an IUD for free. It should be an opt-out sort of thing.

That way, reproducing becomes a conscious choice by removing the IUD.

I could see the Catholic church being opposed to state sponsored birth control, but there's plenty of stuff the government does that is against religion. For instance, our country has sexist and racist laws regarding employment whereby employers must consider race and sex when making hiring decisions rather than just select the candidates they want. That's against my religion to freely associate, do business with, and employ whomever I want.