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Old 04-16-2019, 05:16 AM   #41 (permalink)
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Yeah, it doesn't matter what you feel, what matters is the actual results. Since most cons will eventually be released, what kind of people do you want reentering society? Giving them a good direction is more efficient overall (unless your job depends on keeping prison beds full).

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My understanding is that you normally have a chance of being released early for good behavior, but in a private prison, they make excuses to keep you longer--and their contract provides quotas.

What if there are not enough inmates in a private prison?

Private prison demands New Mexico and feds find 300 more prisoners in 60 days or it will close

It closed, transferred prisoners to another prison it ran, and the government is trying to get $3.6 million in back taxes, claiming they used an invalid loophole: https://www.santafenewmexican.com/ne...d8b58f46f.html
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I'm mostly ignorant on the topic of private prisons. I could be in favor of them so long as it has a non-biased regulatory body overseeing decisions that have conflicts of interest, such as keeping prisoners longer to boost revenue.

That said, there's generally very little difference between prisoners and prison guards. They're both in prison, interact with that population of people, and have varying degrees of skill in negotiating conflict.

My experience in public prison is that a guard flat out told me in my first week that his goal was to make me "lose my good time" (20% good behavior reduction). He would fake like he was going to punch me, or insult me in an attempt to illicit a reaction. One time he unlocked my footlocker, strewed about my stuff, and then wrote me up for having an unlocked footlocker and an unkept bunk.

I didn't lose a day of goodtime because I refused to sink to his level. In my mind, I was getting out in 10.4 months, and he would still be in prison. The other guards knew his character, and they knew mine, so he really didn't have much leeway in what he could get away with. Most of the control he had over me is what I would give to him by reacting, which was nothing. My celly (bunkmate) got rolled up (sent to another prison) inside of a week because he let that punk officer get to him.
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Old 04-16-2019, 08:03 PM   #44 (permalink)
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The concept offends me on a fundamental level.

I'm not going to listen to a mall cop any more than I'm going to listen to any other employee of the mall. Why should we subject our own people to incarceration by mall cops? Arrest, trial and punishment are civic functions and it's important that they stay that way: if we're going to treat people that way, we should own it.

There's already too much of a profit motive with public servants (I got more busts, we seized more property, I'm known as tough on crime). I even drove through a town a couple months ago whose only industry was a 15 mph speed limit on the state road and a radar gun. The guy in front of me got nailed. We don't need the profit motive to be more literal and hidden behind a corporate board.
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That said, there's generally very little difference between prisoners and prison guards.
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Leave your locker unlocked, have a bad day.

I think that we discussed a Cracked page about someone's experience in prison. He wrote that many guards wanted to be cops, but had anger management problem, which was a terrible combination.

Do guards start out decent, but prisoners bring them down? Do prisoners start out okay, but guards bring them down?

Is it one vicious circle?

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