The climate change consensus extends beyond climate scientists

[sendler]

Getting started on Fuller. He seems to equate the economic growth from 1810 to present with technology and intellect but it is entirely impossible without the near 1:1:1 increase in population, GDP, and therefore, energy consumption, that was available after the discovery of fossil fuel. Although he does illude to it here:
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In 1810 the U.S.A. Treasury found there were one million U.S.A. families and one million human
slaves, or an average of one per family, with no steam engines, motors or any other work producing
machines than the one slave per family could provide. Now only hundred and fifty years later we have
over 1,000 inanimate energy slaves per each family, and no human slaves, with the inanimate energy slaves
being utterly tireless and able to work 24 hours a day, year around, under physical conditions intolerable to
humans
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Each person in the USA currently has the equivilent in human labor of 300 fossil slaves standing behind them. World average is 60 fossil slaves per person. And they will very shortly be asking for a big pay raise. Which will upend the current debt bubble growth based economy. There is no feasible way to replace the 17TW we are currently consuming with rebuildables.

[gone-ot]

CAUTION (Tongue-in-Cheek) post:

To totally end ALL "man-made" carbon emissions, simply eliminate ALL carbon-dioxide emitting HUMANS (wink,wink).

[oil pan 4]

We will just put up some solar panels, some wind turbines and some grid batteries.

[niky]

Unless grid-energy fusion becomes reality, humanity will eventually settle on a low-energy lifestyle.

Whether voluntarily or enforced, it will happen.

Originally Posted by Xist

I hit MQ for each of those messages and then Quote when I was ready to use my words.

Too much effort. I just Ctrl-Tab each post I want to quote, then select all, Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V everything into one window.

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Yes, I'm an idiot.

[redpoint5]

By hand, meaning using keypunch cards fed into a keypunch reader. freebeard's only spelling mistakes are due to hanging chads

Originally Posted by freebeard

MultiPost is interesting. I've been doing it all by hand.

Originally Posted by niky

Unless grid-energy fusion becomes reality, humanity will eventually settle on a low-energy lifestyle.

I don't think that is necessarily so. We're surrounded by energy and therefore the potential to put it to work for us. There is so much room for innovation that I find it improbable that we'll be forced to reduce energy use.

[sendler]

Originally Posted by aerohead

At $0.0244 / kW-h retail price,I'd be surprised if Germany would balk at purchasing power.

These low prices keep getting parroted but they are completely unfounded in reality. Bid prices for future solar projects are based on many factors which artificially reduce the bid mainly in that they don't consider the substantial feed in tafiff incentives and tax credits that are also applied. Countries that invest heavily in rebuildables such as Germany and Australia always find the wholesale price of electricty to rise. Grid scale solar farms in the USA are quoting at $2/ nameplate Watt. Which only do 25% of nameplate annually in the best locations. So $8/ W. Rooftop is $3.30/ Watt. In NY it does 13% capacity factor.

[sendler]

Here is a quick start to discussing intercontinental electrical cable.
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The Energy Age: Intercontinental Energy Grid
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Which still doesn't address the density and storage problem of converting electricity to work in large farm, mining, construction machines. Our tractors will need some mighty long extension cords.
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What will actually happen is that most people remaining will grow their own food by muscle power after the age of fossil fuel.

[Xist]

Sendler, why do you insist on using facts, figures, statistics, and reason?!

Considering the cable management involved in mowing a lawn, I can only wonder how it would work with a tractor. My power cord snags on clumps of grass.

"Dang it Jim-Bob! That extension cord is coming out of your paycheck!"

[oil pan 4]

They do use long extension cord in mining.
It's normally used on equipment that is stationary but occasionally moved or mobile equipment that barely moves at a snails pace.

[freebeard]

Getting started on Fuller. He seems to equate the economic growth from 1810 to present with technology and intellect but it is entirely impossible without the near 1:1:1 increase in population, GDP, and therefore, energy consumption, that was available after the discovery of fossil fuel.

He spoke in a strange dialect. And understood the compounding of knowledge.

His 'growth from technology' starts with the 'deep-bellied' sailing ship invented in Thailand thousands of years ago.

He came out of a New England Transcendentalist family, and he was extremely 'mystical' but believed his insights had to be embodied in practical artifacts. Like Scheherazade_numbers.

Which still doesn't address the density and storage problem of converting electricity to work in large farm, mining, construction machines. Our tractors will need some mighty long extension cords.

It is what it is, we'll deal with it or go down in flames.

What will actually happen is that most people remaining will grow their own food by muscle power after the age of fossil fuel.

Else we will realize it's more efficient to grow food and smokables in LED light underground.