The climate change consensus extends beyond climate scientists

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

There was a hydroelectric dam break in Laos today.
At least hundreds of people killed, 0 kwh generated.
This stuff is far more deadly than any of the so called dirty power generation methods.

If it were over hear,there'd already be TV ads for class-action lawsuits:
'If you or a loved one has been hurt or killed in this accident call the law firm of ................ now.The initial consultation is free.'
While these events are dramatic,some speculate that the legacy of dirty power plants will eventually involve billions of people.

[RedDevil]

The disaster in Laos is tragic, but not customary for hydroelectric power. There have been dam busts and lives lost before, but all in all hydroelectric is relatively safe, better than any carbon based fuel.

According to wikipedia coal is the biggest killer per energy provided, then oil and biomass.
Nuclear is safest, apparently. Tell that the Ukranians and Japanese, though.

[oil pan 4]

Over the last 130 years or so hydroelectric power and attempts to make hydroelectric power have killed up to 250,000 people.
It is by far the most deadly method of power generation.

[sendler]

But hydro is by far the most useful of the rebuildable electricity generation methods. So we must continue to make it happen as much and as best as we can.

[freebeard]

It is by far the most deadly method of power generation.

[citation needed] That's a pretty broad reach:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naphtha_launch



Alfred Nobel's aluminium-hulled sloop Mignon

Naphtha launches
By the 1880s, the small steam engine was well established as a power unit for small steam launches, as well as for large boats. However US law, prompted by some past boiler explosions, required that all steam boats carry a licensed engineer at all times. Although this was no difficulty for a commercial craft, it prevented small steam launches from being used for personal and recreational purposes. Becoming such an engineer required an apprenticeship of two years beforehand.

A more popular alternative to the steam launch was the naphtha launch, which used an alternative power source.[1] Advertisements of the period used the deliberate phrase, "Every Man His own Engineer!"[2] to highlight this legal restriction.

Dams have failed since ancient Mesopotamia whereas Nuclear's been around since 1945. Are we talking raw numbers or percentages?

[niky]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

All the man made global warming models have always been saying that it's just going to get warmer and warmer and warmer forever until we all die and that's CO2 driven man made global warming.
If it gets warmer then suddenly goes ice age, then CO2 is not the driving force behind climate change.

Nope.

They're saying that if fossil fuel emissions continue uncontrolled, we will see two to four degrees of warming over the next hundred-odd years.

They make no claims beyond that. And it's obvious that we can't continue to burn fossil fuels for a hundred more years. We only have enough coal for fifty.

[oil pan 4]

I have linked the 250,000 people killed by hydroelectric power at least twice on this post and no one seemed to refute it.

[niky]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

I have linked the 250,000 people killed by hydroelectric power at least twice on this post and no one seemed to refute it.

Nothing to refute? The deaths seem a matter of record.

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In the end, though, hydro- is still one of the most cost-effective "renewable" energy sources out there. As long as the infrastructure is built properly.

Going forward, we need it in the mix. As well as nuclear.

[RedDevil]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

I have linked the 250,000 people killed by hydroelectric power at least twice on this post and no one seemed to refute it.

Funny, but I can't find it. Wikipedia doesn't know either. Care to provide that link?

[oil pan 4]

I will repost it again when I can go back over the last 150 to 200 pages or so to find it.