The climate change consensus extends beyond climate scientists

[Xist]

While this has nothing to do with whether Turnip is making the atmosphere warmer by talking too much, a California group has built a system to pull plastic out of the ocean and should be underway already.

Hey, garbage displaces water, and raises the sea level, right?

https://www.theoceancleanup.com/upda...bly-completed/

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

The plant has been warming for the last 14,000 years, I would say that's old news.
My position is I wish man made global warming were as true as the believers say it is.
I was told that "snowy winters would soon be a thing of the past" I was like cool sign me up.

So why the lack of death spiral alarmism?
Why aren't we hearing about all the ice that melted in the artic this summer?

You got about 2 more years left before the rest of the reasonable people abandon the idea.

Whatever emerges outside the standard deviations will be suspect.
The poles are being hit the hardest.
Glaciers are going faster than best forecasts could predict.
The self-reinforcing feedback loops are especially concerning.
Habitat
Precipitation extremes
Methane hydrates
Ocean pH
Permafrost
Both the Atlantic and Pacific basins ate pretty active now as ocean temps near maximums by end of month
Wild fires
Drought
Flooding
Record heat
Cloud Forests seeing condensation elevations rise
Crop failures
Disease vectors
Here where I'm typing,Al's wife has already had Dengue Fever
We now have confirmed West Nile Virus a few miles south in Carrollton
Moose are dying from tick-borne encephalitis,spread by white-tailed deer
Beetles are killing trees
It's a multidisciplinary cornucopia of planet dynamics.
We'll just have to watch and see.It's interesting.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by sendler

And food prices will triple. The price of every good will increase as to the price of energy. Liquid fuel intensive endeavors such as farming, trucking, mining, road construction and plowing will see price increases that track oil price. Triple. This is something that green advocates seem unable to understand. Leaving fossil fuels in the ground is not a matter of choice. 7.5 soon to be 9 Billion people worth of civilization is built on it's continued use. There is no replacement at this scale. 17 TeraWatts continuous average. Fossil fuel, particularly affordable oil, will leave us long before we are ready to leave it. And cause a big stair step down. The sooner we start to focus and take some steps down, the softer the landing.

We've already lost 60-years.

[teoman]

Inam also seeing a lot of foreign species of fish and other animals in our waters (Mediterranean and aegean sea). These species migrate from the Red sea.

Some species come before their natural predators and are reaking havoc on our local ecosystem.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

As far as I know, there aren't scientific predictions of meters per century. Mostly I read about a foot per century.

The message from some of the researchers is something like.'Do you really want to wait long enough to find out? Without doing anything?

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

Yeah the ipcc craziest number was I believe was 1m per century and they backed off that claim around 10 years ago.
Now they are saying something to the tune of 8 inches per century I believe.
But some people think their alarmist predictions are better than the ipcc predictions.

The IPCC is in possession of the worst-case-scenarios,as they receive all the forecasts.
However,since there isn't 'certainty',they just sit on the data.Why terrify the global economy?
Some of those actually doing the monitoring,are witnessing trends which far exceed their own worst predictions.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by sendler

.4 TO .8 meters from your link to the NASA study. It will be the lower since the world economy will stagnate and begin to contract some time before 2050 reducing by default the amount of carbon we can dig up.
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https://sealevel.nasa.gov/understand...al-projections

Hansen says that at 405 ppmv,that we're already locked into 20-30-feet sea level rise unless we can absolutely eliminate carbon emissions,and then remove some of existing carbon from the atmosphere.The timing isn't known,but the last time there was this much CO2,we had sea levels that high.

[oil pan 4]

Now the thing is I was told that global warming was going to get worse and worse and that the ice was going to melt faster and faster and that with every year that passes there would be less ice.

Never mind that the antartic has been gain ice for years.

All the believers are acting like no end of the world is the end of the world.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by Xist

August 2018 was the highest August Arctic sea ice extent since 2014.
https://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

The ancient ice is far along in melting,and the new ice DOES have surface area,but little thickness/volume.
The overall 'mass' of the ice is diminishing.The Arctic could be completely ice-free in the summer of 2020 or so.
Solar insolation is penetrating the thin ice,captured by the dark underlying water and heating the Arctic ocean,amplifying the warming.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by teoman

Inam also seeing a lot of foreign species of fish and other animals in our waters (Mediterranean and aegean sea). These species migrate from the Red sea.

Some species come before their natural predators and are reaking havoc on our local ecosystem.

I believe that Greenland's indigenous fish are gone,replaced by a species from the south.
Killer whales are in the Arctic killing (I believe it's )Bowhead whales which never leave the Arctic,and have no where to go accept the jaws of the Orca.
Polar Bear in Alaska are land-bound for months at a time,with no sea ice to get onto for seal hunting.There's also Polar Bear cannibalism now.