The climate change consensus extends beyond climate scientists

[oil pan 4]

The last time my house in Virginia almost flooded was 1960. If 20% of what they said was true then I should have had a boat instead of a car in my drive way.

So because the ipcc can admit some predictions were wrong and don't preach about immediate impending disaster they are fake?

[Xist]

This is one of the claims made by the campaign to not change the Arizona Constitution to mandate renewable energy--funded by the largest power company in the state.

Are they claiming that California's electricity costs three times the national average? I do not think so. When I checked it was at most 50% more.

Is it increasing three times as fast as the average?

Mom just read an article stating that California's rates are increasing because they charged customers to replace some aging pipes, didn't, eight people died, and fifty-eight were injured.

So, the State of California fined them over a billion dollars.

They passed that onto their customers.

So, this has more to do with scumbag electric companies than the economies of renewable energy.

[oil pan 4]

All costs are passed down to the end consumer.

What can I say.
Building all those wind turbines here in newMexico and sending all that power to California is expensive.

They are pushing the same renewable bs here in new Mexico, but the good thing is the state can't afford to put in renewable energy. Private companies have to do it.

[freebeard]

How do they propose to use a state constitution to steer private enterprise. That sounds dicey.

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

I expect to see a return to coal fired ocean going vessels and possibly even coal fired trains with in my life time.

For the coal-fired airships, the attitude rockets could be fluidized nano-scale coal particles. But for ships the Thorium in the coal should be used in fission.

[oil pan 4]

Ignorant people voting for free stuff.
The problem is renewable power gets so green washed that the people who don't deal with math and numbers on a critical basis are starting to believe renewable energy is free energy.
It's free aside from getting the land, right of ways, infrastructure building, installation of the equipment it's self, on going maintenance, transmission, storage, upgrades, expansion, unfortunate events.
They also dont bother to think where the state gains money for all this "free stuff".
I call them useful idiots.

[RedDevil]

Most of our coast line is sand dunes and behind it lies land that is lower than sea level. The dunes used to be self sustaining, gathering sand blown up there from the beach.
Nowadays at spring tide the sea threatens to wash away the foot of the dunes, so millions of tons of sand need to be added yearly to the beaches or our coast line would wash away.

One can argue about what causes it, but sea level rising steadily in the last century is a fact.

If the sea level rises one meter adding more sand will become hard to sustain. At two or three meters it will become impossible. We can build dikes but if the sea level exceeds the ground water level too much then salt water will inevitably seep in through the sandy underground.

If the rising level is caused by our carbon dioxide emissions, if we're able to reduce that and stop this effect then we won't have to spend billions a year extra in the future.

[sendler]

Nikki Haley said, "Just because we pulled out of the Paris accord doesn't mean we don't believe in climate protection. I think we're very aware that we need to do that. What we're saying is, we're not going to sell out American businesses to do that. ... We're not saying that climate change is not real. It is real. It's how do you have that balance between making sure you've got jobs and businesses moving and then also making sure you protect your climate. That answer's in the middle.

[oil pan 4]

I don't see how people could be at all worried about this and still live below sea level on the coast.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by sendler

Epstein's emphasis on human flourishing and it's relationship to energy availability that is reliable, cheap and safe is a very frighteningly logical counterpoint to the currently popular and under informed rhetoric of " just leave it in the ground".
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Any reduction in availability of world primary energy right now would bring a big reduction in standard of living and lifespan.

It looks like fossil fuels have turned out to be the most expensive fuels in world history.We're on a path out of the Goldilock's zone because of them.
And Eptein's cognitive dissonance will end up historic as well.His greatest hero created the best renewable/buildable energy source ever invented,and ran his entire community off of it. Epstein should have wrote 'A Moral Case For Static Electricity.'
And the popular rhetoric that matters is 'don't burn it.'
Increased availability and combustion will lower all standards of living and shorten lifespans as people die early from elevated blood levels of cortisol coursing through their veins,stressed out about looming climate catastrophe,if not killed directly from events.
Hurricane Michael's already killed thirteen.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by redneck

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The IPCC is still wrong on climate change. Scientists prove it.

http://www.americanthinker.com/artic...#ixzz5TOVSnXLv


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Read the article.

Lots of good observations.






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Looks like fossil-fuel industry-funded propaganda to me.
The IPCC report was written and edited by 91 scientists from 40 countries who analyzed more than 6,000 scientific studies.(these would be referee'd,peer-reviewed sources)