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Old 12-19-2018, 12:46 PM   #4181 (permalink)
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Wow! 1,000 tons of concrete for each pad at Musselroe. Offshore monopiles are 650 tons for 6MW turbines. I just went with the low side of the first value that poped up to show the monumental scale of the task to replace fossil fuel ahead.
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https://www.wind-watch.org/faq-size.php
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So increase my total above by 5X to include the concrete and steel for pads. 15 GigaTons.
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All installed with liquid fueled heavy equipment.
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We would be wise to base all of the design decisions in such a way that we plan to reuse all of the foundations and towers for 100 years. Or as long as possible.
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https://youtu.be/ZxeQeJ4jW-4
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I couldn't find out how many man days were worked to install the 50 turbines at Musselroe but they stated 15 months. One million of these teams working constantly for 24 years to replace half our energy with wind. And then constanly forever to maintain it.
How many Tiny Homes,which use 115 kWh/month can 'live' in luxury off of a single 6-MW turbine?

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Old 12-19-2018, 12:49 PM   #4182 (permalink)
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Yes. Maybe 3-400 million people for the industry might manufacture, transport, and install the half million turbines per year it would take to replace 1/2 of all energy in 25 years. If we can allocate the 15 GigaTons of materials.
Sounds great to me!
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Old 12-19-2018, 12:53 PM   #4183 (permalink)
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We do not need Europes problems here.
You are Europe's problem.
Just as Europe is part of the problem of the rest of the world.

The French protest against far more than just the few cents extra on gas.
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If I buy a Powerwall and drive a Prius, can I smug around town in light of this information?



sendler said a million crews, not million people. There are many people on a crew.
If you have anxiety over a utility power interruption,the powerwall would be an alternative to a fossil-fuel-powered Generac,or similar generator.
Friends with late model Prius's are reporting on the order of 52-mpgs.
That's an improvement over about 20.1 mpg for a national average.
I've left concepts like 'smug' behind,so I can no longer address such things.
Rational,reasonable,far-thinking,and patriotic does come to mind.
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Thata true, most of the true believers won't even entertain the idea of replacing coal with nuclear because they are scared of it.
So if nuclear is more scarry then man made climate change that tells you there isn't a problem to begin with.
Because with climate change we are all supposed to die, with old nuclear tech worst case scenario a few zip codes are poisoned with nuclear fall out, that's a far cry from irreversible global damage thata going to hurt everyone on earth for thousands of years.
John Wayne,and half the cast and crew of the 1956 film,The Conqueror died from breathing nuclear fallout,plus cigarette smoking.
That puts some Americans off to anything associated with the 'Peaceful Atom.'
Three-Mile Island,Chernobyl,and Fukushima Dai-Ichi didn't help either.
Dead friends and family drive home the concept of how fragile and fleeting human life actually is,and could explain why some are hesitant to embrace technology already firmly linked to the Grim Reaper.
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The Soviet communist dream.
Presidential fire-side broadcasts have been used as part of the statecraft tool bag.
That might require someone with more than a C-average grade-point average though.
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Hard to talk about making significant reductions in emissions when the 2 main relevant ways to do it are:

1. reduce your population
2. reduce per capita wealth

Which politician is going to run on that platform?
No mention of technology?
I can increase the population while increasing wealth.
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The revenue is not going to be used to build greener tech.
In just about every cap and tax scheme most if not all the funds are given to people who reproduce for a living, because the useful idiots at the bottom are the ones that have to help vote it in.
They rob from the rich who don't even notice or can somehow avoid paying it and middle class who do feel the pain and gI've it away to the poor, not just the poor, the rapidly multiplying poor.
Boycott the corporations who's lobbyists own Congress and you'll not only see term limits,but also a democracy that we haven't seen since 1886 or so.
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John Wayne,and half the cast and crew of the 1956 film,The Conqueror died from breathing nuclear fallout,plus cigarette smoking.
That puts some Americans off to anything associated with the 'Peaceful Atom.'
Three-Mile Island,Chernobyl,and Fukushima Dai-Ichi didn't help either.
Dead friends and family drive home the concept of how fragile and fleeting human life actually is,and could explain why some are hesitant to embrace technology already firmly linked to the Grim Reaper.
The only nuclear meltdown to have killed was Chernobyl. 0 dead from 3 mile and Fukushima. Those who have died due to the business of producing nuclear energy are far fewer than those who have died producing all other types of electricity in terms of deaths per MWh delivered.

Occasional death is not a sufficient reason to be against something. If my family died in a plane crash, I would not be anti-flight.

Ladder falls kill a surprisingly large amount of people, and it accounts for among the largest percentage of accidental death, yet we don't see anti-ladder protesters in the streets.
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Think outside the [Cartesian] box.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dymaxion_map

The missing link is the Bering Strait. It needs a Boring Company tube while they're at it.
The water depth is only around 300-feet.It would be easy to lay cable from the mainland across to Dionimede/Little Dionomede/Tin City ,and across to the Russian mainland.
The fish trawlers would have to modify their netting practices.
The British laid 30-oil pipelines across the English channel in one night around 1944.
Jump under the Panama Canal and you've got from Terra del Fuego to Homer Alaska connected.
Yucatan-to-Cuba-to Florida (it's already done with oil pipelines)
Charles Lindbergh's air route would also be a cable play to Europe.

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