The climate change consensus extends beyond climate scientists

[oil pan 4]

Heck they can't even tax gas to fight global warming in france.
Plus they are doing it all wrong. A bottom up tax will have no measurable effect on saving the world.

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by All Darc

Sociopath already born without empathy, with a brain area nearly without activity. Most sociopath behavior kids and teens have a incredible high chance of became criminals.

It have genes involved.

Fortunately, evolution seems to prefer cooperation and negotiation over sociopathy. There's never been a more peaceful time in human history, and I expect that trend to generally continue, with the usual ups and downs along the way.

The most frightening thing is that human capability has become so great that the downturns in human behavior hold ever more destructive potential.

Teens still lack a well-developed sense of sympathy and act without fully developed inhibitions. Perhaps some are more developed than others, but that isn't generally true.

I was a good teen when it came to personal interactions, but not because I had some desire to do good, or cared about people in general, but mostly because I lacked any desire to do bad. Perhaps at 19 I was just beginning to pay attention to others and examine internal motivation.

Originally Posted by freebeard

You can't call a toddler a sociopath, they simply haven't had the higher brain circuits activated.

Sure I can, I call my daughter that all the time, though I'll stop well before she begins to understand. What is the difference between a child that doesn't yet possess the brain circuitry to project themselves into the shoes of another, and an adult who doesn't possess the brain circuitry to project themselves into the shoes of another?

Sociopathy is a clinical term for those who have failed to achieve certain levels of social normative behavior by certain ages. I'm simply saying it's a spectrum.

[RedDevil]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

Heck they can't even tax gas to fight global warming in france.
Plus they are doing it all wrong. A bottom up tax will have no measurable effect on saving the world.

But they do?
Gas used to be much cheaper in France than over here where tax makes up more than half of the rice of gasoline. Nowadays its is almost the same, and diesel is even more expensive than here:
https://autotraveler.ru/en/spravka/f...in-europe.html
Another price raise on top of that was too much for some to keep supporting the democratically chosen president.

[oil pan 4]

We do not need Europes problems here.

[sendler]

It's a small world.

[All Darc]

Like I commented bellow, the brain areas, amygdala for example, develops poorly or slower when Kids and teens had poor moral education. You are pointing things that just lead to let teens and kids in the "moral sewer".

Few people have courage to make critic to this because this goes against hippie's ideology (connected to the left today and left domains th press media). Hippies (including Thimonty Leary) was stupid, and their mistake was to think humans was naturaly good. Moral education it's essential, and without most people would turn naturally to the "dark side of human force". Yes, human nature it's a garbage mostly if let alone, if let going with the wind.

Originally Posted by redpoint5

Fortunately, evolution seems to prefer cooperation and negotiation over sociopathy. There's never been a more peaceful time in human history, and I expect that trend to generally continue, with the usual ups and downs along the way.

The most frightening thing is that human capability has become so great that the downturns in human behavior hold ever more destructive potential.

Teens still lack a well-developed sense of sympathy and act without fully developed inhibitions. Perhaps some are more developed than others, but that isn't generally true.

I was a good teen when it came to personal interactions, but not because I had some desire to do good, or cared about people in general, but mostly because I lacked any desire to do bad. Perhaps at 19 I was just beginning to pay attention to others and examine internal motivation.



Sure I can, I call my daughter that all the time, though I'll stop well before she begins to understand. What is the difference between a child that doesn't yet possess the brain circuitry to project themselves into the shoes of another, and an adult who doesn't possess the brain circuitry to project themselves into the shoes of another?

Sociopathy is a clinical term for those who have failed to achieve certain levels of social normative behavior by certain ages. I'm simply saying it's a spectrum.

Yes, technically they don't call bad todlers as sociopath, but they can predict in most cases. There are certains differences compared to normal toddlers.
Moral education also have effect on brain circuits and even on development of brain areas that have role in empath and responsability. After the dumbsh..t revolution (that leaded people to be imoral and irresponsible and also thinking that it's cool), the "exercise" for such brain areas, the moral education and values that once was transmited by parents, got reduced, and the midea (TV, cinema, magazines) got a role in making a sort of "contra moral education".
Brain amygdala have a role on this and it's reduzed in kids and teens that had poor moral education.
Not jsut parents values, butr society values have a big role. See Japan and how they culture it's organized.

Originally Posted by freebeard

Respect to All Darc's uncle JP, but I accept dear old Timothy Leary's theory of the eight circuit brain. You can't call a toddler a sociopath, they simply haven't had the higher brain circuits activated.

The problems A. D. sees with people come from meme transmissions from the older generations. There is always hope for the next one.

And that Carbon Tax (immediate, worldwide and enforceable) is fraught with peril.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

The 8mw wind turbine blades may not be able to be transported to some remote areas.

There may not be enough cranes to put up 8+Mw turbines faster than 2mw.
I'm assuming that the bigger crane when loaded has lower wind tolerance too so fewer build days will be available.

One presumption would be that issues like these would be addressed in the most early planning stages of a project.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by RedDevil

Wind or solar are never going to be the only source of energy. Because obviously, sometimes it is overcast while there's no wind as well. At least locally.
Still, it is all moot until solar and wind power expand over 25 times from their current levels. We can absorb everything on a windy and sunny day. Denmark may have some overproduction days from their giant wind farms, but the rest of Europe readily absorbs what they throw at them.

Overproduction needs to be the standard. Then we can really start storing energy in Tesla's big MF batteries for lulls in the weather.

*The February 2017 NATURE reported that Europe is on track to reach a 20% renewable increment of the total grid load.
*China is increasing it's increment.
*ditto USA.
*Today,Xcel Energy is at a 35% carbon reduction.
*Their 2022 target is 50%.
*Their 2050 target is 100%.(32-year time window)
*Which makes the most optimistic target for USA decarbonization,thirty-two years out.
*Which would allow 32-years before the last graveside ceremony for USA fossil fuels.
*Jeremy Rifkin says we'll be out of oil long before then.
*Coal is already in a death rattle,because of natural gas and renewables.
*Researchers in Toronto,Canada have come up with stable,stacked,4-junction,nanotechnology,thin-film,low-temp,low-cost,perovskite photovoltaics with independently-certified performance of over 30% conversion efficiencies.
*General Motors Labs have figured out how to squeeze performance out of less rare-earth magnet.
*Turbine bio-mimicking, wing morphing, suggests potential improvements in wind turbine energy capture efficiencies (paybacks/profits).
*Electric vehicles are predicted to eclipse internal combustion vehicles in price by 2025,allowing for wind and solar-powered cars.
*Electrical power storage R&D is ongoing.
*Young researchers,who've grown up sharing code,data,assumptions and theories,will in all likelihood,just run away with solutions the old guard couldn't even conceptualize.
*3-D metal printing,AI,and automation is transforming manufacturing.
*Metallized zenon diflouride has caught the attention of some as a future power partner.
Interesting times!
*Not to mention any Congessman.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

I never said it was impossible.
It's just impossible the way the believers want to do it.
No fossil fuels, no nuclear, use technology that doesn't exist, implementation of grid batteries on a currently impossible scale, ect.
If engineers are allowed to solve the problem instead of politicians then it will work.
The green party politicians are like "all we need is some solar, some wind, a few batteries and a few more hits off this bong".
I'm going by numbers and math not wish full thinking and mild physio active drugs.

At least one messenger has thrown a caution flag out on the field of numbers.
As of February,2017,the US Energy Information Administration was the only entity,worldwide,that had full transparency,as associated with energy calculations,data,assumptions,and models.Anyone can access their material at their website and run the numbers for themselves.
Anything else published can be viewed with suspicion.
Green Party people I know don't know any more than the next person about energy issues.I observed much emotionally-driven thinking,rather than reason.
Engineers and scientists have just recently discovered testicles,and are beginning to stand up,and out,against potentially sociopathic Congressmen and White House residents.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by sendler

2:1 efficiency improvement leaves 8 TW average for the world to replace with solar or wind. 13 million 2MW turbines at 33% CF. 170 tons of materials each. 2.7 Gigatons.
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1 billion cars in the world. 1.7 tons each. 1.7 Gigatons
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We probably ought to decide which to really focus on next.
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One construction crew can install and commision 50 2MW turbines per year. Capacity factor of 33% gives 33MW actual capacity per year per crew.
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24 million crew years to install 8 TW of wind. If they last 24 years, we need 1 million crews working continously forever to power the world with wind. More or less. Towers last longer so the second and third time through would be easier.
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20 hours of storage for the world would require 1.6 million BigF'nBatteries at 100 MWh each. 250 GigaFactories for 25 years and then forever to keep recycling them. If they could last 25 years.

I promise to remain steadfast in my conviction that 8-TW is a bogus metric to strive for.