The climate change consensus extends beyond climate scientists

[oil pan 4]

100% green energy increases power bill by $1,200 per year.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/01/...r-power-bills/

Yeah and 68% of people won't even pay $120 per year for green energy.
I can go "100% green energy" for about $4,000 with grid tie power.
Don't need the government to do it for me.

[RedDevil]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

Typical "it's weather not climate when it's cold".
It doesn't really matter what it is since no one is willing to pay for fixing it.

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

100% green energy increases power bill by $1,200 per year.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/01/...r-power-bills/

Yeah and 68% of people won't even pay $120 per year for green energy.
I can go "100% green energy" for about $4,000 with grid tie power.
Don't need the government to do it for me.

So 32% do want to pay for it, according to that poll. That isn't no one.
And you are planning to install PV panels. That puts you in the 'no one' category, or what?

"Its weather not climate when it's cold", yeah, that's exactly what you say about heat when it's hot.
Who do you blame for having bias?

Both are true. Cold winters and hot, dry summers on a regional scale are weather.
But yearly global average temperatures aren't weather.
And increasingly melting glaciers and ice caps on a decade scale aren't weather.
Since we are talking about the climate, the latter should have more attention.

[oil pan 4]

I'm not going to pay for the government to screw up renewable power.

32% of people are only willing to pay $10 per month.
Let them pay it.

Actual real world 100% renewable power (likely backed up and made possible by fossile fuel) costs $100 more per month.
I bet the number willing to pay $100 is far lower than 32%.

According to a Forbes article from 2015 on average people will only accept a 5% increase on their power bill to "fix global warming".

Yeah a lot of people believe in man made climate change, but only a few believe in paying for it. Oh the irony.

Just incase the useful idiots ridiculous new green deal passes I want to insulate my self from the stupidity as much as possible.
They want additional taxes on electricity, motor fuel, home heating, water, everything. The only thing green about it is all the money the government confiscates.
My answer to that is solar panels, electric and hybrid vehicles, fire wood and coal heating, use the well I already have.

[RedDevil]

You've made your choice, good on you. Let others make their own choice.
The 32% and $10 were from hypothetical questions in a poll. Not knowing the wording or how much time the respondents took thinking the choices over, it is impossible to put an accurate weight to it.

The point is - the climate does change, and if we don't invest in slowing that down now we may have to spend a multitude on the damage it will cause.

Case in point - the Delta Works which keep the southwestern part of my country safe from flooding.

Due to climate change and relative sea-level rise, the dikes will eventually have to be made higher and wider. This is a long term uphill battle against the sea. The needed level of flood protection and the resulting costs are a recurring subject of debate, and involve a complicated decision-making process. In 1995 it was agreed in the Delta Plan Large Rivers and Room for the River projects that about 500 kilometres of insufficient dyke revetments were reinforced and replaced along the Oosterschelde and Westerschelde between 1995 and 2015. After 2015, under the High Water Protection Program, additional upgrades are made.[11]

In September 2008, the Delta Commission presided by politician Cees Veerman advised in a report that the Netherlands would need a massive new building program to strengthen the country's water defenses against the anticipated effects of global warming for the next 190 years. The plans included drawing up worst-case scenarios for evacuations and included more than €100 billion, or $144 billion, in new spending through the year 2100 for measures, such as broadening coastal dunes and strengthening sea and river dikes. The commission said the country must plan for a rise in the North Sea of 1.3 meters by 2100 and 4 meters by 2200.[12]

And the latest news is that even the worst-case scenario is too conservative, and preparations to upgrade or replace the entire Delta Works need to be started earlier...

[RedDevil]

Originally Posted by RedDevil

My wife's cousin is a professor in astrophysics ...

Who dropped down unconscious at work yesterday.
He was rushed to hospital, where he, awake again, had to wait his turn at the first aid post...

For ten hours!

While he was waiting his parents booked a flight, flew to Ireland and were there at the hospital before his turn was up.

Apparently medical aid is not perfect in Ireland either.

[aerohead]

I ran across two scientific papers in NATURE,which addressed data used in climate models.
They both stated that anything prior to 1958 was deemed of too low a comprehensive quality and too low in resolution.
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*High-resolution,full-time monitoring of atmospheric carbon-dioxide didn't begin until Keeling began in Hawaii.
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*Oceanographic data for the Atlantic basin,for example,wasn't available until 1992,after three,International Geophysical Year voyages had been completed,following Christopher Columbus's route across the Atlantic,for 1957,1981,and 1992.
*116 monitoring 'stations' were analyzed,at about 33-nautical mile separation,along a 4,408-statute-mile route.
*Full ocean depth surveys were run.
*24-water samples were obtained at each station.
*temperature,pressure,salinity and oxygen were recorded.
*Nitrate,nitrite,phosphate,silica,chlorofluorocarb ons,and trace metals were measured.
Data of this quality had up to 1958 not existed.
NOTE:the caveat would be declassified data from US,UK,and USSR naval operations which are still undergoing transcription from written ships logs into an electronic database,which is estimated to take until 2041 to complete.
Raw data for the Atlantic research would be available from:
*Instituto Espanol de Oceanographia,Madrid,Spain
*ditto,Santander,Spain
*James Rennell Center for Ocean Circulation,Massachusetts,USA
*Massachusetts Institute of Technology,USA
*Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution,Massachusetts,USA
*Conseil International Pour L' Exploration de la Mer,Denmark

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

No word on the 120 year and all time lows and snows up north?
Nope bias here.

*as to Australia,all they reported was, record high temperatures since weather records began.It's timing would be of interest to the climate scientists,as its occurring during a time interval coincident with global warming.It's a record,and outlier.
*120-year, all-time lows and snows would have been a valuable addition,however,an editor probably considered the broadcast time necessary,and chose to limit the data,leaving it up to the individual to dig deeper if interested.
*Chicago in under the microscope today.If the daily high doesn't break past something like -14-F,it will be a new record low,high temperature record,again,of interest to climate scientists.
*Perhaps this evening,they'll have a news summary with current data.
*The BBC had a meteorologist from Fargo,ND on the air this morning.They were at -56-F chill factor and he said folks were out jogging.They just layered up and went outside doing their normal routine.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

A new poll says that 68% of America are unwilling to pay $10 a month to fight climate change.
57% of Americans would pay $1.
I would pay a dollar, if I didn't already dive an electric car and burn renewable, waste fire wood for most of my home heating.
Oh and all that money I spent planting trees on my land.
Then also I plan on paying cash for a 2017 hyundai sonata plug in hybrid lease turn in later this year.
I'm going to need that dollar.

https://www.newsweek.com/majority-am...change-1304048

Just a little FYI I tried Google searing for this article almost by name and Google couldn't find it.
Bing found them all no problem.
Google gave me some ridiculously biased articles saying how most Americans want to give money to the government to fight climate change.
HA!
Repeat a lie until it comes true much?
According to CNBC 49% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck so they simply can't afford to puff the global warming crack pipe.

Yeah,a brother of mine would never let destitution get in the way of daily beer,cigarettes, pot,and Easy Rider magazines.A man's gotta have priorities!

[redpoint5]

People are lazy. If there were a "Fight global warming" $10 fee that you had to opt out of on the utility bill, probably 90% of people would just pay it. If you had to opt in to pay the fee, 90% wouldn't.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

So no one cares about fixing global warming if they have to pay for it.
In 2008 our government wanted to confiscate $30 to $36 a month just for the first phase of carbon tax. By 2022 that was supposed to explode to around $100 a month for "an average family of 4".
It's all about the money.
See the problem is they believe in global warming but also know allowing the government to fix it is a scam.



Barely mentioning it was -37 doesn't describe the scale, duration of the cold and completely ignores the snow.

Without a home computer I can only note what the commercial weather reports share.
They don't go into any specifics.
No one mentioned that the cold could be attributed to climate change.
The Arctic has warmed an average 5-F and the reduced delta-T between the north and equatorial region decreases the strength of the polar jet,allowing it to meander around (drunken-like).
As of last night,6 were already dead.Ten-million were impacted.Chicago was poised to maybe break an all-time weather record.Perhaps 48-hours of cold as the storm worked its way eastwards.Jacked-knife tractor-trailers,traffic stalled in place for hours.Power outages,thousands of flight cancellations.
All of this is a face of climate change,just as 'ozone' man discussed long ago now.
But hey! You can get great deals on Silverados,Sierras,Denalis,F-150s,Tundras,Titans,RAMs,JEEPs,etc.