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Old 09-23-2019, 10:36 PM   #6991 (permalink)
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Mostly it struck me that the use of "it"......"It" sounds like an inanimate object, or something sub-human.
First, mostly it struck me that "it" thot "it" represented 97% of the people. Second, 400 cubic kilometers of melted ice, rising to 1000 cubic kilometers & maybe to 10,000 cubic kilometers per year, didn't phase "4 oil pans".... nary at all.
10,000 cubic kilometers represent an ice cube melt, 70,000 feet long, by 70,000 feet wide, by 70,000 feet high. THAT occurrence is what we must avoid.


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Old 09-24-2019, 02:28 AM   #6992 (permalink)
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First, mostly it struck me that "it" thot "it" represented 97% of the people. Second, 400 cubic kilometers of melted ice, rising to 1000 cubic kilometers & maybe to 10,000 cubic kilometers per year, didn't phase "4 oil pans".... nary at all.
10,000 cubic kilometers represent an ice cube melt, 70,000 feet long, by 70,000 feet wide, by 70,000 feet high. THAT occurrence is what we must avoid.
There's already commonly improperly used English pronouns that denote an unsure or irrelevant gender. They, them, their, etc. Why use an awkward new one that practically nobody else uses? I probably read 5 of your posts before I figured out what it was you were doing.

Anyhow, we're terrible at evaluating extremely big and extremely tiny things. 10,000 kilometers sounds like a lot to me. Then there's 1,332,000,000 cubic kilometers of water on earth. 10k^3 represents 0.0000075 of the water. So, in one regard it sounds like a whole lot, and in another it seems like practically nothing. Without context it's meaningless. And all that was your worst case scenario. You're (it?) saying current melt rates are 0.0000003 per year total water volume right now. All that assumes we're (its?) both right on our facts.
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The total amount of water is not relevant, the distribution of that water is what matters.
Greenland and the Antarctic contain about 3-4% of the Earths water as ice. If that melts the seas rise about 70 meters, which would displace half the worlds population.

Even a 0.1% addition to the total water mass would raise the seas by over 2 meter / 7 feet and drown many countries and states. As the melt seems to accelerate exponentially, it won't take long to get there - likely well within a century. I probably won't experience that, but my kids may have to move out.
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.....10,000 kilometers sounds like a lot to me. And all that was your worst case scenario......
You & "4 oil cans" think alike (& others), because you're AGW deniers. 10,000 cubic kilometers per year is what I said & you did not repeat properly. AGW deniers minimalize AGW effects, because that is what they must do. Also, I did NOT say that was a worse case scenario. You did tho, because AGW deniers have their own "sigh-ants", will not deal with real science, & must..... minimalize.
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The end game for Earth is a water world. Erosion is wearing away the high land points and filling in the low spots. Eventually the world will cool to the point that no new volcanic or tectonic action will create new land, and it will be covered by sea, with the only fresh water perhaps in frozen polar regions and clouds.

Our species needs to get much better at living on the water. That isn't an excuse to do nothing to influence climate, but one likely outcome of sea inundating previously habitable land might be innovation to contend with it.


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You & "4 oil cans" think alike (& others), because you're AGW deniers. 10,000 cubic kilometers per year is what I said & you did not repeat properly. AGW deniers minimalize AGW effects, because that is what they must do. Also, I did NOT say that was a worse case scenario. You did tho, because AGW deniers have their own "sigh-ants", will not deal with real science, & must..... minimalize.
Point to a single instance of me denying anthropogenic global warming on any forum, and I'll eat my hat. You've lumped me into a category of evildoers so you don't have to contend with what I say.

Which part of 10,000km^3 did I repeat improperly?

AGW deniers, by definition, don't minimize AGW effects; they deny they exist at all. Something which I have never done.

Now that you've got the name calling out of the way, what is your best formulated plan to deal with global warming?
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70m? Sounds like a personal problem.
Then I will only be 4,200 feet above sea level.

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The 2011 leaf I bought had lost 85% of its value by 7 years when I got it and I still have it.

Gallup says that only 3% of likely voters believe that the "environment, pollution and global warming" are the most important problem.
This month it surged to 6% probably because of all the press the virtue signalers got last week but this week no one cares. Normally it's 3 to 4% and that's rounding up most of the time.
Still 97 to 94%. So best case scenario maybe 10% of people will say the "environment, pollution or global warming" are the number 1 problem and that's a stretch.
I'm not saying man made climate change isn't real, just that the vast majority of people don't really care.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/1675/mo...t-problem.aspx
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Which part of 10,000km^3 did I repeat improperly?
First, you can't even quote yourself properly. You said "10,000 kilometers". Then you said, "10k^3" with no designations. Second, neither term is what I said. Third, your questioning term above is, again, not what I said.
Yes, AGW deniers (like redpoint5) love to think themselves smarter than scientists, when their "sigh-ants" comes out differently than scientists' science. But, three errors, which aren't even 8th grade science errors tells lots about "redpoint5", an AGW denier.

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You & "4 oil cans" think alike (& others), because you're AGW deniers.
Now that you've got the name calling out of the way, what is your best formulated plan to deal with global warming?
I'm still awaiting confirmation of that, but speaking to the gen pop, you have your cosmic forcing, and your sovereign individuals forcing en-mass.
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maybe to 10,000 cubic kilometers per year
Sure, I left out the km unit, but you knew what I meant. Your implication by saying maybe to 10,000 cubic kilometers per year is that it's among the worst projections based on your source.

You missed my point entirely (on purpose?), that we don't have any grasp of big and small numbers, especially without context. I made no scientific claims.

Point out where I've denied AGW, or stop attributing that name to me.
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I got the distinct impression that some here are more concerned with the dollars and cents of it than anything else- better to do nothing than threaten the dollars and cents.

I got the distinct impression that some here don't think anything can be done even if there is climate change- and that was a big IF.

With 7,500,000,000 and growing em effers infesting the planet, some even think we're at risk for UNDERpopulation issues! Oh my lying eyes.

And then there are those that act like this climate thing is new information.

Or that it is up to OTHERS to do something: government, business, religious, ANYONE but themselves.

I also perceive that some here think there is no appetite for addressing the issues. On that one, the cynic in me agrees. But I've recently seen reports of youth angry with their elders for creating and doing little to nothing to mitigate the sh!thole they stand to inherit.

Well that's human nature I guess. Some are smart enough to put two and two together but the masses are not moved to do anything proactive until impending doom is so obvious that it may be too late.

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