The climate change consensus extends beyond climate scientists

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by sendler

It needs to be against code to rebuild these non-resilient places whenever they get destroyed by a storm.

That may not be that far off now.Denationalization of Federal Disaster Insurance would be an intelligent move.Rebuild and develop disaster-prone real estate at your own peril.

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by aerohead

Malthus' premise was,that food supply would always determine population.Food production and nutritional content is already in decline,so we have challenges for 9-10-billion souls.

Down 4 times in the last 10 years doesn't mean the trend is downward. The trend is still upward.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

Down 4 times in the last 10 years doesn't mean the trend is downward. The trend is still upward.

The plant biologists are observing lower growth rates,and lower nutrition in cereal grains.You may have a full belly,but you'll be malnourished,more susceptible to disease.
You've seen what flooding and drought are doing here in the States.Productive,coastal, agricultural lands are being lost to sea-level rise,saltwater intrusion,ruination of underground water supplies.
All irrigated agricultural lands are in decline.Aquifiers are dying.Rivers are dying as we lose mountain glaciers and snowpack.Ice cap melt is accelerating.They'll be accelerating sea-level rise.Atmospheric river-induced flooding.Drought.Reservoirs will dry up.(Capetown,S.Africa faced abandonment last year by one month).
Hydro dams will be toast.There goes your Haber-Bosch process and a major component of your nitrogen fertilizer industry.
There will be some local and regional improvements,but globally,we're heading for catastrophe.

[NeilBlanchard]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

The artic was supposed to be ice free by 2016 according to al gore.

Is Al Gore a scientist?

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by NeilBlanchard

Is Al Gore a scientist?

I think a computer scientist, at least, he invented the internet.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

I think a computer scientist, at least, he invented the internet.

While he's not a scientist,he's held in very high regard as far as his education goes.And some scientists have no issue with his 'exaggerations',as when you're competing with 'America Can Defecate',and 'Who Wants to Be a Buffoon?',you've got to ratchet up the message to distract the Yahoos and get their attention.
Rather than the ad hominem attack,you might want to see if you can scientifically rebut his data.

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by aerohead

While he's not a scientist,he's held in very high regard as far as his education goes.And some scientists have no issue with his 'exaggerations',as when you're competing with 'America Can Defecate',and 'Who Wants to Be a Buffoon?',you've got to ratchet up the message to distract the Yahoos and get their attention.
Rather than the ad hominem attack,you might want to see if you can scientifically rebut his data.

It was a joke. I'm notorious for sarcasm without emojis.

I'm sure Gore is more educated and more intelligent than most people.

I despise Trump exaggeration as much as I despise it from anyone else. The only difference is I expect Trump to use hyperbole nearly all the time, whereas I expect Gore to speak with more precision. The "arms race" of deceptive and dirty tactics to the bottom is not one I think we should engage in. That's how we end up awash in fake news and a public suspicious of everything.

[redneck]

Originally Posted by aerohead

The plant biologists are observing lower growth rates,and lower nutrition in cereal grains.You may have a full belly,but you'll be malnourished,more susceptible to disease.
You've seen what flooding and drought are doing here in the States.Productive,coastal, agricultural lands are being lost to sea-level rise,saltwater intrusion,ruination of underground water supplies.
All irrigated agricultural lands are in decline.Aquifiers are dying.Rivers are dying as we lose mountain glaciers and snowpack.Ice cap melt is accelerating.They'll be accelerating sea-level rise.Atmospheric river-induced flooding.Drought.Reservoirs will dry up.(Capetown,S.Africa faced abandonment last year by one month).
Hydro dams will be toast.There goes your Haber-Bosch process and a major component of your nitrogen fertilizer industry.
There will be some local and regional improvements,but globally,we're heading for catastrophe.

All this Doom and Gloom...

Living life thinking the end is near must really suck for you and all the other AGW believers.

Fortunately for myself and many other skeptics, life is still good...


Question,

Who’s They’ll...???


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[aerohead]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

It was a joke. I'm notorious for sarcasm without emojis.

I'm sure Gore is more educated and more intelligent than most people.

I despise Trump exaggeration as much as I despise it from anyone else. The only difference is I expect Trump to use hyperbole nearly all the time, whereas I expect Gore to speak with more precision. The "arms race" of deceptive and dirty tactics to the bottom is not one I think we should engage in. That's how we end up awash in fake news and a public suspicious of everything.

It's an important issue.I can't speak for the scientists,but a few that I've read,say that connecting with the general public is a real challenge.And anyone who receives funding from the National Science Foundation,as a matter of policy,is mandated to interact with the public.
A neighbor,our current president where I live recently retired as a Ph.D.in Environmental Science at the University of North Texas.He's told me about colleagues whom possess zero people skills,and basically hide in their offices when not teaching class.
At Texas Tech, I has a few professors I considered unfit for a classroom environment.
Not an easy situation.
I'm most comfortable with the actual,peer-reviewed research papers.They're completely unfiltered,and with all the human foibles.

[freebeard]

news.slashdot.org/story/.../earth-warming-more-quickly-than-thought-new-climate-models-show
Doing all we can to stave off that oncoming ice age.

news.slashdot.org/story/.../fossil-fuel-divestment-has-zero-climate-impact-says-bill-gates
Time for a Bill Gates vs Al Gore rap battle.

I despise Trump exaggeration as much as I despise it from anyone else.

I for one appreciate the masterful trolling of his adversaries.