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Old 11-09-2019, 01:43 PM   #7871 (permalink)
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Not only that, but it isn't 100% renewable energy either. They may purchase an equivalent in renewable energy generation, but their actual delivered electricity sometimes comes from non-renewables when demand and nature don't align perfectly, which is constantly.

In other words, if everyone followed suit, we'd just have intermittent electricity since there'd be no variable non-renewables to smooth things out.



No, they can exist in just zoos for all I care. They've been trying to go extinct for some time now.

A slower pace of CO2 rise would be much easier for the world's organisms to adapt to though, so on that point I'd agree.
And the renewables they purchase when their fossil-fueled power stations go down for annual scheduled maintenance isn't 100% fossil? Like coal-fired power plants,which are down 28% of the time?

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Old 11-09-2019, 01:51 PM   #7872 (permalink)
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.... a 1 degree-C temperature rise,increases atmospheric water vapor content by 7%, amplifying warming.
AGW deniers pretend not to understand that increasing water vapour is a GHG AGW feedback. I've said the same thing as you in post #7821:
"..... increasing atmospheric man-made infra-red energy absorbing GHGs & their positive feedbacks, which includes increasing amounts of atmospheric water vapor".
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I've also said the same for 15 years on other AGW denier websites. To the last one, AGW deniers pretend not to understand that water vapour is a positive feedback to increasing man-made infra-red energy absorbing GHGs.
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If AGW deniers admitted they understand that water vapour is a feedback mechanism to AGW, they would lose one of their prime (& silly) AGW denier arguments. Oh, yeah. All AGW denier arguments are silly.
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Old 11-09-2019, 01:53 PM   #7873 (permalink)
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Our Belgian North Sea coast was straightened and impoldered in the early Middle Ages
(even the English term comes from our "inpolderen")
Islands in front of and along today's coast, have gone, swallowed by the sea

Locally, mean sea level has risen over 2m since Jesus Christ claimed to walk on water
Without much antropogenic input (the rise, dunno about JC's act ...)

Pretty fast hu


Doggersbank -look it up- was an island not that long ago
Fishermen went there before it dipped under the sea
Later they went there, because the fishing was good


The water WILL come, no matter what ...
This is a great thing to bring up,as many do not appreciate the fact that,a global mean average sea level doesn't dismiss local and regional variations remarkably different in magnitude,just like with temperature.
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Locally, mean sea level has risen over 2m since Jesus Christ claimed to walk on water
Claimed? he DID!

Here's global warming for ya. 20 centuries ago even the sea of Galilee froze over!
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Old 11-09-2019, 02:35 PM   #7876 (permalink)
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I was joking, I'm not really affected by the shill invading our little sanctuary.

For the record I do not deny that AGWDs are in denial. I've already said I expect runaway greenhouse.

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This is a great thing to bring up,as many do not appreciate the fact that,a global mean average sea level doesn't dismiss local and regional variations remarkably different in magnitude,just like with temperature.
Just like sea level and air pressure, I think IQ varies geographically too. That would explain China not getting with the program on pollution and Africa on overpopulation.

In other news. Greta Thunberg is stuck in North America. Calling grownups childish.

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I watched it. They skip right over 4th-gen fission for the lure of fusion, and smart metering but no software-defined electricity. B-.
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....Jesus Christ claimed to walk on water....
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Claimed? he DID!..... 20 centuries ago even the sea of Galilee froze over!
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I was joking, I'm not really affected by the shill invading our little sanctuary.

For the record I do not deny that AGWDs are in denial. I've already said I expect runaway greenhouse.



Just like sea level and air pressure, I think IQ varies geographically too. That would explain China not getting with the program on pollution and Africa on overpopulation.

In other news. Greta Thunberg is stuck in North America. Calling grownups childish.

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I watched it. They skip right over 4th-gen fission for the lure of fusion, and smart metering but no software-defined electricity. B-.
Until China meets the metric for a 'developed' nation,it's exempt from carbon emissions restrictions.And Richard Heinberg mentioned in his 'THE END OF GROWTH',that China is gonna build as fast as it can,as long as it can.Currently,China leads the world in electric automobiles,solar energy,wind energy,they may build up to 245-nuclear power plants,they lead the world in grid-scale energy storage R&D,probably in rooftop solar hot water.Their Three-Gorges Dam is the world's largest hydroelectric facility.They have the best laboratories in the world.As of 2011,they had a 40% savings rate and no shortage of investment capital.
In 2005,the United States produced a retail valued $17-billion worth of greenhouse gas emissions in China, rather than in the USA.We've been offshoring our carbon emissions since Clinton was in office.
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'Efficiency can save money and lead to the development of new businesses and industries.'
'[E]nergy efficiency...is almost invariably a good thing.'
'Once again:energy efficiency is a worthy goal.'
'The sooner we invest in efficient ways of meeting our basic needs the better,even if it entails short-term sacrifice.'
'[I]t is essential to begin investing in efficiency and alternate energy as soon as possible...'
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China is building. They were dismayed to find that there economy was only growing at a 6% annual rate which was well short of the last few years. Only 6%/ year. That is a doubling of the economy every 12 years! Which is generally a doubling of material throughput every 12 years. And generally a doubling of energy consumption every 12 years.
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Embodied energy in new construction.
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"Power-sector emissions, which had driven the rebound in overall emissions since 2017, flattened off. However, there was a surge in real estate and infrastructure construction that saw emissions from steel and cement expand rapidly."
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There are limits to growth on a finite planet.
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