Cosmic Catastrophe

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by freebeard

RedDevil --Thanks. When I watched that I planned to mention it when I got back here.


I know it's hard to keep up. duckduckgo.com/?q=magnetic+portals+connect+earth+to+sun



Bucky Fuller died in vain. And don't get me started on Descartes. The XYZ coordinate system blinds people to the geometry that Universe uses --Synergetics.

1) I looked at that material weeks ago. It has nothing to do with solar wind or the interplanetary magnetic field reaching out to the heliopause.
2) Earth is protected during solar senescence by the magnetosphere.
3) Earth is protected by the solar wind during magnetospheric excursions.
4) S-O mentioned something about the solar spectrum @ 123-angstroms. Or, 0.0000000123- centimeters, placing it within gamma-radiation spectra. I suppose B.D wants me to run around with my hair on fire, worrying about solar gamma rays now. He may be unaware that they could be responsible for life on Earth.
5) Those with a more specialized knowledge of the universe will be acquainted with warped space-time and more sophisticated geometric representations required to describe reality.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

Gross over simplification oh and the distance you quoted is what was observed by voyager 1 and 2 congrats on using an actual observation for once. But you still screwed it up. That's not the average, not even close, voyagers went through what scientists were pretty sure was going to be the thinnest spot trying to get into that interstellar medium before the nuclear battery dies. The Heliopause is very lopsided it's at least double the distance on the down stream side.
Just face it, you're wrong don't try to back peddle you ain't turning this one around.
The scientists used your favorite thing to determine it's lopsided. Simulations and hypothesis.

1) In space there is no 'up' 'down' or 'sideways.'
2) If you leave Earth, and travel 'out', eventually passing the heliopause, you have experienced a single 'point' on the surface of a time-averaged 'sphere', with an average radius of 9,300,000,000-miles.
3) Are you in possession of a document which supports the assertion that, Voyager was capable of imaging the entire surface of an object this large, from a single observation point?
4) I suspect that we need to discuss solar polar dynamics.
5) Parker Spirals.
6) Coriolis Effect.
7) Alfven Waves
8) Lorentz Forces
9) Co-rotating Interactive Regions
10) Overtaking shockwaves
11) Solar Ecliptic equatorial rotation periodidicity
Etc..
12) Simulations would be nice to hear about.
13)' Hypotheses', if you recall, require testing by more than a few parties, and some consensus regarding experimental results, before it can graduate to 'theory'.

[freebeard]

Originally Posted by aerohead

5) Those with a more specialized knowledge of the universe will be acquainted with warped space-time and more sophisticated geometric representations required to describe reality.

What goes around comes back around. Plato is a good marker:

Plato's Model of the Universe and the Dodecahedron
www.faculty.umb.edu › gary_zabel › Courses › Phil 281b › Philosophy of Magic › Arcana › Renaissance › PlatoSolid.htm
to a recent theory the Universe could be a dodecahedron. It is surprising that Plato used a dodecahedron as the quintessence to describe the cosmos! Plato (c. 427 BC - c. 347 BC) also stated that time had a beginning; it came together with the universe in one instant of creation. A polyhedron bounded by a number of congruent polygonal faces, so

Originally Posted by aerohead

3) Are you in possession of a document which supports the assertion that, Voyager was capable of imaging the entire surface of an object this large, from a single observation point?
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[7) Alfven Waves ]
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12) Simulations would be nice to hear about.

You are in luck, sir! This is from hubblesite.org/contents/news-releases/2022/news-2022-006

SUMMARY

FOR THE FIRST TIME, ASTRONOMERS HAVE RETRACED THE HISTORY OF OUR GALACTIC NEIGHBORHOOD, SHOWING EXACTLY HOW THE YOUNG STARS NEAREST TO OUR SOLAR SYSTEM FORMED.
Astronomers at the Center for Astrophysics | Harvard & Smithsonian and the Space Telescope Science Institute have reconstructed the evolutionary history of our galactic neighborhood, showing how a chain of events beginning 14 million years ago led to the creation of a vast bubble that's responsible for the formation of all nearby, young stars.

Rather than the four data streams from the Pioneers and Voyagers, they use multiple newly formed stars and superimpose their hypothesis.

[aerohead]

Luck would include the document on heliospheric asymmetry.

[freebeard]

I don't have much luck but I do have a search engine.

WSA-ENLIL Solar Wind Prediction | NOAA / NWS Space Weather ...
https://www.swpc.noaa.gov › products › wsa-enlil-solar-wind-prediction
WSA-Enlil is a large-scale, physics-based prediction model of the heliosphere, used by the Space Weather Forecast Office to provide 1-4 day advance warning of solar wind structures and Earth-directed coronal mass ejections (CMEs) that cause geomagnetic storms.. Solar disturbances have long been known to disrupt communications, wreak havoc with geomagnetic systems, and to pose dangers for ...

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by freebeard

I don't have much luck but I do have a search engine.

Thanks, I've seen that.
Since oil pan 4 brought it up, I thought perhaps that, he had something in hand that he could share.
If I get some spare time I'll look into it.
No former reporting on the heliosphere or heliopause ever mentioned an asymmetry.
You can't see the heliopause from the sun or Earth.
And to my knowledge, there's no possible way to image the 'geodesy' of a structure that large with even a million space probes observing simultaneously.
There's a context to oil pan 4's remark, I just know what it is yet.

[aerohead]

From today, The Economic Times describes the Heliosphere as 'spherical' ( hence the name )
It goes on to say that the shape of the Heliopause is 'ever fluctuating.'
A 'spherical' Heliosphere implies a 'spherical' Heliopause, by definition.
Maybe some people like The Economic Times shouldn't report on astronomical issues.
Their reporting is 'confusing.'
Voyager-I is the only space probe to cross the Heliopause, and it crossed at a single location. It never 'saw' the Heliopause, it's just that JPL noticed a jump in cosmic radiation as Voyager passed into interstellar space.
The Heliopause is a 'theoretical' boundary, never actually seen!
https://m.economictimes.com/definiti...e?from=desktop

[freebeard]

Alternate definitions:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sphere

3: natural, normal, or proper place
especially : social order or rank
not in the same sphere as his moneyed friends
4aobsolete : ORBIT
b: an area or range over or within which someone or something acts, exists, or has influence or significance
the public sphere

They can call it what they want, it's a series of vortex streets.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by freebeard

Alternate definitions:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sphere


They can call it what they want, it's a series of vortex streets.

1) That should be an important factor included in the conversation.

[freebeard]

The interesting case is the Sun, it's no prolated by gravity.

https://www.theguardian.com › science › 2012 › aug › 16 › sun-perfect-sphere-nature
Aug 16, 2012 Sun is the most perfect sphere ever observed in nature Scaled to the size of a beach ball, say scientists, the sun's equatorial bulge would be less than the width of a human hair As a spinning ball...

edit:
Speaking of keeping up, as I did at #568, now the Moon is a planet!

Study Explains Why Pluto (And Some Moons) Are Actually Planets After All