A gift for HHO Skeptics!

[niky]

Most people are interested in water injection for power, though, rather than economy.

Friend just finished a build for a customer. 240+ whp out of the 2.8 liter VM Motori, with a chip, intercooler, exhaust and water injection, up from 178 whp all-stock. That's one happy motor.

[mwebb]

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Quote:
When you add a hydrogen cell to a vehicle the vehicle's O2 sensors sense the change and dump in more fuel to compensate to get you right back to 14:1 as it's designed.
Hydrogen burns with oxygen to form water vapour. In other words, the cars ECU will lean out the intake mixture because some of the gasoline required will be displaced with hydrogen to form the proper stoichiometric ratio. There is no oxygen "hanging out" in the exhaust when you inject hydrogen into the motor. In other words your own bogus science already is proving your philosophy wrong."

ok
so
this is NOT how it works

02 sensors do not see oxygen
so theory of hoaxes regarding extra oxygen in the exhaust causing something is complete and utter
blarney

02 sensors or more correctly Lambda sensors
see and measure the presence of
combustibles ,
any combustibles
including hydrogen
in the exhaust

so
if some pudding head is attempting to describe why HHO does not work
(in newer systems with feedback from 02 / lambda / AFR sensors)
and he or she starts talking about
lean condition caused by adding more combustibles or 02 to the equation
then that pudding head is fibbing or ignorant or
attempting to deceive the reader or audience

and Lambda or
stoich is
14.69 to 1 NOT 14 to 1

i will add none of these crack smokers have contacted myself about testing their systems

color me surprised
offer stands

thank me very much
spank you pudding heads

and
all
newer systems with AFR sensors are capable of operating in "lean burn"
or leaner than 14.69 to 1

[bobdbilder]

I had my fair share of experience with nay sayers. My advice is to keep hanging on. If your intent is pure and true, veils shall be set aside.

My own thoughts on this is that it is workable. But it needs a bit more work. This presumption is based on my previous work for Draeger a German company that makes gas detectors. Most of my clients are in the oil and gas business. If you are talking about misinformation, O+G is the king of propaganda. As you may well know. I can say it now coz they've kicked me out and I have no intentions of getting back in. What I have learned is that if there is too much against you; you must be doing something good.


The problem that I see is energy used for the process. If you use independent power source like a solar cell, you get HHO production even while the car sits parked under the sun. Which is ok because you do not want to produce too much because of storage issues. Hydrogen is highly combustible especially in the presence of O2 - 4%by volume in air. But it also has an upper limit of 65%by volume. That is when there is insufficient O2 to burn. You can say its 'saturated' or too rich to cause a fire. Again that's the condition in air (16% O2). No stainless steel containers as H2 tends to cause mechanical structure issues with SS in the long run. You would need measurement such as from catalytic sensor (wheatstone bridge) to stop production at a certain limit. So the sensor would be connected to a transistor or optical couplers. The amount generated is small but it is still savings. Any savings is good. Therefore, try starting from small and then build up. Kaizen.

[P-hack]

Originally Posted by bobdbilder

The problem that I see is energy used for the process.

That is only the beginning of the problems. I've only heard one remotely coherent theory on it and it is still plagued with problems.

If nobody is succeeding at it then they all must be doing something wrong?

If you are thinking simple retrofit, then you are severely misguided. Just hook that solar panel up to your hybrid traction battery otherwise.

[wickydude]

Originally Posted by P-hack

If nobody is succeeding at it then they all must be doing something wrong?

either that or it's ..... Naaaaaahhhh they must be doing it wrong

[gone-ot]

Originally Posted by wickydude

either that or it's ..... Naaaaaahhhh they must be doing it wrong

Yeah, but if they (a) do it wrong twice or (b) do it twice as wrong...wouldn't that make it wright?

[bobdbilder]

There is nothing wrong in failure as long as you learn from it. You are leading on a road that nobody knows how to get there.

[Frank Lee]

There is nothing wrong in failure as long as you learn from it.

You got that right at least.

[gone-ot]

Einstein's famous definition of insanity: "..doing the samething over and over again and expecting different results."

[ConnClark]

Originally Posted by bobdbilder

There is nothing wrong in failure as long as you learn from it. You are leading on a road that nobody knows how to get there.

Unless it kills you

Case in point (where even the scam artists have turned their backs)

Explosion at California water fuel research company kills inventor