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Old 11-27-2019, 08:42 PM   #181 (permalink)
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Beyond Meat company before their Beyond Burger. Few months ago they launched the 2.0 version of Beyond Burger )1.0 still on market), but in 2015 they hadn't even verson 1.0 but a thing they called Beast Burger :

https://youtu.be/1h75YXWFUrw?t=128

They started with Chicken-Free Strips and Beaf Free Crumble, then launch the Beast Burger, but the true suscess was latter with Beyond Burger.
Their vegan chicken breast strips, made with Missouri University patent for extrusion to mimics chick's breast texture, was the start, but not a hit.

My project update. I found a old ice box machine here in home, but need to glue one blade. It may be of help to make the methylcellulose gel alone, since there are about 3 way to use methylcellulose:
1-One is blend it with all ingredients (cooled ingredients<10*C), starting with a pre mix of the powders (powder proteins starch methylcellulose and condiments) slowly added for last into a mass of textured proteins and oil, and after mix let 2 hours at least on the fridge.
2-The other way it's to make a "powders on gel" of methylcellulose, starting with all powder elements (hydrolised proteins, starchs, condiments) and methylcellulose mixed and in dispersion with oil, followed by cold water, and then, after a gel get formed let 2 hour on fridge, then mix dry textured proteins and now let 24 hour on fridge.
3-The most interesting, you just need to make a dense gel of metytlcellulose and a little of starch (like potato starch), and after ready you can use with different recipes for condiments or different textured proteins. It's not very easy to make the gel, but once made it's easier to make vegan burger paties (at least in theory) by shaping on hands like ground beef paties.

With gel ready I could make beef or chicken or roasted beef vegan burgers, fast, without wait hours and without need to cool all ingredients.

To make a gel methylcellulose needs to be dissolved in hot water and gradually cooled while constant blend/mix slowly it. It would be a problem, but I think I can put it in a ice cream machine in the start, and after a few minutes get only the metalic container of the ice cream machine inside a recipient with cold water, just to cool it slowly, without wet the electric area. I have a recipient that fits well to the metalic container.
After coola bit it could went to fridge, with the ice box machine still gentle mixing it while it get cold.

Here a picture of the icebox model, the same model of the one I have:





But it's a old machine and have a strange noise., I will try to open and see if I can get some fix to make it work better.

The ice cream machine's cable go outside of the fridge, of course, but the ice cream maker get inside.


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Flavor science advances, but it's not easy to create a realistic flavor :

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...ke-real-thing/


Maybe in future most things for food will be synthetic, aminoacids, sugars, oils, and the taste will be given by artificial flavors that mimics natural flavors. Maybe real food became a luxury for wealth people.
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The Struggle To Name Lab-Grown Meat (qz.com)
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Re:"Motherless Meat" (Score:5, Funny) by dgatwood ( 11270 ) on Monday

Or fatherless...

Or "orphan protein".

I think we should Swiftly implement this Modest Proposal. No, wait, that came out wrong....
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Meat flavor's secret it's mostly the Maillard Reaction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maillard_reaction between heme (molecule inside hemoglobin and mioglobin and also in Leghemoglobin in soy roots) that create a sequence of reactions that creates a lot of new molecules of flavors and aromas. Indded there last generation flavors called Reaction Flavors, that tries to use Mailard Reaction to create similar flavors, but it's not 100%. Coffee have thousand of molecules of flavors, and it's also hard to mimic.

But if Heme (pattented by Impossible Foods for the production method they created using GMO Yeast to produce it) it's so important to give beef taste to soy protein burgers, I wonder why the other kinds of meat, like chicken, fish, pork, have different flavors. I will ask about it to Impossible Foods. If they respond I will post their response here.

About lab meat, well, the cells it's one thing, but muscles have the cells, the fat, the blood and the chemical compounds from body that can get into the tissue or between cells. That's why even it had not the exact meat flavor. I suspect they will research meat flavors to add to the lab meat tissues created on laboratory, to please consumers more, when it became afforedable.
No surprise, you alread get meat flavors added to real meat for burgers, since a lot of cheap meat or cartilage are processed together to create grond beef for cheap frozen burgers pattys

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Flavor science advances, but it's not easy to create a realistic flavor :

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...ke-real-thing/


Maybe in future most things for food will be synthetic, aminoacids, sugars, oils, and the taste will be given by artificial flavors that mimics natural flavors. Maybe real food became a luxury for wealth people.
We should be skipping ahead straight to direct stimulation of the brain synapses responsible for taste. Then we can just slurp down a perfectly healthy smoothie of nutrients and tell our brain that it tastes amazing. Even better, have the slurpee start off tasting amazing, and if people are tempted to have too much, the brain stimulator switches to an awful taste to prevent people from becoming overweight.

The product can be called Soylent Green.

For that matter, drug use would be pointless in the future because the brain could be directly stimulated. We don't have enough self-control to not be destroyed by such technology, which I see as all but inevitable.
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As long as the smoothie tastes like Tasty Wheat or maybe Turkish Delight.

On a moonlit night?

When I had strep I ate several cans of chicken noodle soup a day. Yesterday I just had two, two spoonfuls of hummis, and a couple of popsicles. I do not have any idea how many calories I used to eat, but probably about 3,000 a day.

I am not sure that I am getting my 1,200 currently. For the first time in my life, I need to eat more?

In theory, if I drop from 3,000 to 1,000 calories a day, I could lose a couple of pounds a week.

I strongly remember enjoying eating. Oh well.

I always think that it would be great to make overweight people feel full earlier. I often think this would help me maintain my fighting weight.

Making food lose its flavor seems like a good idea, but it kind of does that already when I overeat.

"I don't stop eating when I'm full. The meal isn't over when I'm full. It's over when I hate myself."--Louis C. K.
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Yes Xist, some flavors enhancers can make people to want eat more and more, like excessive monosodium glutamate. Some snacks that lead people to always ate the whole large pack like :



But a new enhancer , called Kokumi, it's suposed to make people more satisfied. Some people say Kokumi it's the 6th flavor found, after umami was recognized as the 5th flavor years ago.

https://www.eater.com/2010/10/25/671...concept-kokumi

Umami and Kokumi €“ A Flavor Profile | Food Chemistry |Science Meets Food

Flavors can help people eat less salt. You can even make a very low sodium salt home, mixing salt with herbs (condments) or salt with toasted seasame. Pop corn would be more tastefull and have much less sodium.

There another candidate for new flavor, one that would enhance the perception of any starch/flour. They call it Starch. If Kokumi or Starch will be classified as the 6th new flavor, nobody knows.

Gastronomy can get a pounch in the future, I mean the chefs, in case food enhancers evolve to make anything taste delicious.

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When we reach such point in medicine, this same thing could be use to treat drug addicts (like uncle Jordan), alcoholism.
But you pointed pain to conditione people, instead of feel fool, feel satisfaction at some degree when made right. So you proposed torture. But I supose you was just kidding...


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We should be skipping ahead straight to direct stimulation of the brain synapses responsible for taste. Then we can just slurp down a perfectly healthy smoothie of nutrients and tell our brain that it tastes amazing. Even better, have the slurpee start off tasting amazing, and if people are tempted to have too much, the brain stimulator switches to an awful taste to prevent people from becoming overweight.

The product can be called Soylent Green.

For that matter, drug use would be pointless in the future because the brain could be directly stimulated. We don't have enough self-control to not be destroyed by such technology, which I see as all but inevitable.
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When we reach such point in medicine, this same thing could be use to treat drug addicts (like uncle Jordan), alcoholism.
But you pointed pain to conditione people, instead of feel fool, feel satisfaction at some degree when made right. So you proposed torture. But I supose you was just kidding...
We've already figured out shortcuts to the reward centers of our brain using drugs. So now instead of going out and accomplishing something to feel good, we can lay around being useless and feel good.

Same with pornography. Men had to be attractive in the eyes of women to have sexual encounters, and now they don't. We'll have less children in the future because men won't be interested in the effort required to attract real women, and women won't have any use for weak and pathetic men.

The direct brain stimulator will allow people to feel good while accomplishing nothing to justify feeling good. That is a very dangerous thing.
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But I supose you was just kidding...
There's funny 'ha-ha' and there's funny 'sheesh'.
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The direct brain stimulator will allow people to feel good while accomplishing nothing to justify feeling good. That is a very dangerous thing.
We're there today, except they have to use their thumbs. (ELSE Xir/Xor thumbs )

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Xor is a see also of nor. As nouns the difference between xor and nor is that xor is the logic function exclusive or (as opposed to inclusive or), whose output is true only when exactly one of its inputs is true while nor is (logic|electronics) (nor).

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