My 1991 Talon TSi Compound Turbo AWD

[foxgrockefeller]

Just want to reduce intake losses as you say you have zero losses. At some point I'm going to swap to D15z1 I think.

[elhigh]

Originally Posted by pgfpro

There are times I wonder WTH is wrong with me.lol

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Yeah, I'm not wondering.

I no longer have a Mitsu engine in my fleet so I don't really have a wrench in this box, but I just have to say, your experiments and results just leave me floored. Finding more than 30mpg in a car that can reel of sub-Vette numbers in the 1/4 is good. Damned good.

Cracking into the 40s is something else entirely. It's like the moon shot of ecomodding.

Now, there are obvious tradeoffs. Rear seat has been annexed by the Plumbing Demons. There's a level of involvement required of the driver that no conventional car will be able to sell - 95% of everybody isn't interested in driving the car, they want to have driven the car. They aren't interested in the process at all. But if I had all the bells and whistles and control knobs that you've installed, yeah, I'd be tweaking them all day.

My hat's off, PGFPro. I am frankly impressed.

[pgfpro]

Originally Posted by foxgrockefeller

Just want to reduce intake losses as you say you have zero losses. At some point I'm going to swap to D15z1 I think.

I had some great results with my D15Z1 in my Del Sol.
Here's a pic of it when i did some N/A testing after I painted it.


Neptune screen shot.

This is a pic of the Del Sol before the D15 with a D16Z6 turbo and modified pistons for lean burn running Neptune with a HY35 Holset turbo. I learned a ton with this setup.

My first Civic the Black one with my first attempt building a lean burn system and my sons car the White one running a turbo D15 with lean burn.

[pgfpro]

Originally Posted by elhigh

Yeah, I'm not wondering.

I no longer have a Mitsu engine in my fleet so I don't really have a wrench in this box, but I just have to say, your experiments and results just leave me floored. Finding more than 30mpg in a car that can reel of sub-Vette numbers in the 1/4 is good. Damned good.

Cracking into the 40s is something else entirely. It's like the moon shot of ecomodding.

Now, there are obvious tradeoffs. Rear seat has been annexed by the Plumbing Demons. There's a level of involvement required of the driver that no conventional car will be able to sell - 95% of everybody isn't interested in driving the car, they want to have driven the car. They aren't interested in the process at all. But if I had all the bells and whistles and control knobs that you've installed, yeah, I'd be tweaking them all day.

My hat's off, PGFPro. I am frankly impressed.

Thanks Man!!!

This car isn't very liked anywhere so that means a lot to me.

The performance crowd can't stand it because it's a 2.0L four cylinder that can get great fuel mileage.
The fuel economy crowd can't stand it because it's able to make a ton of power and accelerate like a all out drag car.

So its hated at all levels. There are some people on the F1 Technical forum that think its pretty cool but even most F1 fans hate the new 2014 F1 cars power plants being there a Hybrid type design. So its like at an engineering standpoint only.
So this is where I came up with the name Mis-Fit Talon.
It won't ever make any cover of any forum or be that liked because of the thought process of either make a performance vehicle or a economy vehicle.
Not both that's stupid.

[foxgrockefeller]

I'm trying to see if there is any difference at all in the p28 or P06 when it comes to zip chip socketing it and using hondata or some free program. I mean if it's chip...who cares which one? p06 is cheaper $30 at junk yard. My WAI got to 127° today when it was 45° out and seems I went 140mpg on a quarter tank so might be working. On the other hand it idles at around 400rpm now?! no idea on that part of the change. I plan on OBD0 upgrade to obd1 like you advised and then going the programming route for "lean burn" in my d15b with 330k miles clean shell HF. I'll get pics soon
Thanks again for your assistance and those are some sweet rides even the NA del sol!!

[pgfpro]

Originally Posted by foxgrockefeller

I'm trying to see if there is any difference at all in the p28 or P06 when it comes to zip chip socketing it and using hondata or some free program. I mean if it's chip...who cares which one? p06 is cheaper $30 at junk yard. My WAI got to 127° today when it was 45° out and seems I went 140mpg on a quarter tank so might be working. On the other hand it idles at around 400rpm now?! no idea on that part of the change. I plan on OBD0 upgrade to obd1 like you advised and then going the programming route for "lean burn" in my d15b with 330k miles clean shell HF. I'll get pics soon
Thanks again for your assistance and those are some sweet rides even the NA del sol!!

I'm trying to remember I think I used a PO6 with a VTEC board that was added on one of my builds. I think Moates has some info on this?
I might even see if I have a PO6 ECU in my collection of parts? If so you can have it. I also have a few of the 28 pin sockets, that your more then welcome to have also. I used a free version of CROME PRO a few years back it work pretty good. Before that I used just CROME and it worked OK but it was free so I didn't complain.
http://support.moates.net/unsupporte...onfigurations/

Keep me informed on your WAI outcome. Sounds like your making some headway?

[foxgrockefeller]

yes, please on all! I'd be very happy to pay for the shipping. I can give you my address via private message or even text if you want. 913-703-3555 I think I'll try that crome pro if I can get my hands on it. I want zero intake losses but looks like it's a difficult goal to achieve
My WAI seems to be working good but I haven't tested the actual MPG yet, It got up to 132° today. With my GF's help I created the beginnings of rear wheel skirts and rear diffuser today but won't complete for a few days probably. Right now my rear end is jacked up about 5 inches because of the acura integra rear end. awaiting ebay lowering springs. Forgot to wash the car and also take the pics...ugh, memory fail at 35 is bad mmmk. Hope you're having a great weekend!
Fox

[Xist]

I recommend giving phone numbers (and other personal information) via personal message.

[pgfpro]

Another Update:

Some people were wanting to know what it looks like under the box? Here's a pic I took today, the post turbo exhaust is not hooked to the turbo in this pic, making some more adjustments on the exhaust system.

This takes ton of mock it up, then tear it back down, make more alterations then repeat. There's only so much room and it takes a lot of changes every time I add something.
So on a good note I took some time out last night and enjoyed our awesome warm weather. I took some broke up pallets from work and made a camp fire to enjoy some cooking over a flame and some nice wine to wash it all down. Its about the only thing that keeps me from going crazy.lol

[elhigh]

Originally Posted by foxgrockefeller

My WAI got to 127° today when it was 45° out and seems I went 140mpg on a quarter tank so might be working. On the other hand it idles at around 400rpm now?! no idea on that part of the change. I plan on OBD0 upgrade to obd1

You and PGF are shooting jargon back and forth at each other, it's like listening to Klingon opera. There must be meaning there, I just can't parse it out.

I'm very curious to know how the rest of your tank goes. Please don't leave me hanging.