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Old 03-26-2020, 12:47 PM   #341 (permalink)
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Old 03-26-2020, 12:51 PM   #342 (permalink)
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Any bill that cannot fit onto a single 8.5"x11" page 12pt font should go directly into the garbage. Politicians should have to take a multiple choice test on the contents of the bill, and if they get less than 70% they don't get to vote and their pay gets reduced.
Only if you want the law completely determined by the Bureaucracy and courts. People already complain that too much the details of our laws are written by "unelected bureaucrats" instead of Congress.

How does Congress regulate allowed air pollution in 1 page?
 
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Any bill that cannot fit onto a single 8.5"x11" page...
Any bill can already be summed up in a sound bite. Do you really want those to be our laws?
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Old 03-26-2020, 01:25 PM   #344 (permalink)
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Only if you want the law completely determined by the Bureaucracy and courts. People already complain that too much the details of our laws are written by "unelected bureaucrats" instead of Congress.

How does Congress regulate allowed air pollution in 1 page?
Probably 10x more effectively than how we're addressing air pollution now.

The federal government would establish maximum thresholds from top health professionals, and then declare that states shall maintain air quality below that threshold or face x outcome. Seems it would fit on half a page... How to achieve the standards would be up to state and local government to determine how best to achieve those standards.

You'd have a bill for each type of pollutant of concern. If revised standards need to be implemented, the new bill either amends the previous one, or replaces it entirely.

That reminds me of how ineffective my previous boss was because he would list a very precise set of steps to take and leave out the objective. Customers would call back asking why things went terribly, and I'd just have to say I wasn't informed of the objective, and would have done differently had I known.

The federal government needs to be as broad and general as possible, which is why laws should fit on an 8.5"x11" page easily. Failure to do so indicates they are overreaching and creating inefficiency. Let the people near to the problem solve it.
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NPR needs to be defunded... Period...

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Yeah, we wouldn't want rural communities having access to radio and TV

About 10% of the Corporation for Public Broadcasting’s budget comes from the government. 5 members of the board of directors including the chairman have been appointed by Trump, 3 by Obama, 1 seat is currently empty.
 
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You'd have a bill for each type of pollutant of concern. If revised standards need to be implemented, you the new bill either amends the previous one, or replaces it entirely.
So instead of one 1300 page bill, you want 1300 one page bills? And then have each state implement them randomly?
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So instead of one 1300 page bill, you want 1300 one page bills? And then have each state implement them randomly?
NOx maximum threshold is x concentration

Exceeding x threshold by y amount for z duration results in p punishment...

How does Montana deal with that... they don't have to.

How does LA deal with that; is up to them to balance their needs and capabilities to achieve the standard. Of course, it's a maximum threshold so local regulation may be more stringent already.

The beauty is that all relevant federal law for NOx limits are self-contained. No thumbing through a 1300 page law to see what relevant part is there.

I'm revising my idea to say that a change always supersedes the previous document. We don't want a document that has to cross-reference a bunch of other documents.
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I would like to see candidates raising money for charities, with television ads also raising money for charity.

I sure hope they wouldn't say "No! Don't donate money to the homeless [rival's charity], donate to cancer patients! [their charity]"

I would be inclined to vote for someone that raised $100,000,000 for people in need.

Then there is the option of publicly-funded campaigns. There were sixteen republicans running in 2016 and dozens of democrats running this time.

How many would enter if they didn't need to raise money?

I might consider it if they limited it to one ad per candidate per hour.
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I don't suppose all that early waffling and diddling around had anything to do with it.

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