New prius announced!

[hayden55]

Originally Posted by freebeard

Traditionally, you just lift up the radiator cap and drive a new car underneath.

Sometimes with some of the vehicles i have owned I feel this statement and it slightly pisses me off.

Yeah the eCVT is one where you just need to watch a video on its different operating modes. It does so much oddball stuff I probably would explain it wrong. Like it basically operates like a differential not a transmission, and I think they say it unlocks one side when the car is idling and not using power to go down the road so it can spin the other side attached to the electric motor to charge itself.
The car is wild. But I love it. Maintenance is pretty easy when you don't have a belt drive or any alternator power steering pump etc... as well.

I have wondered why the gas saver hybrids and EVs are so goddamn ugly for the last 20 years, so I'm glad Tesla and finally Toyota have agreed to just make good looking normal ones now. Some of the 2010ish hybrids need to be burned at the stake for their visual sins.

[freebeard]

Sometimes with some of the vehicles i have owned I feel this statement and it slightly pisses me off.

Sorry. It's an aphorism from the 1950s. I didn't know it would push buttons.

[hayden55]

Oh nah you're good. I'm just angry at all my pos cars I bought before I swapped to Toyotas lol

[Blacktree]

Originally Posted by Ecky

Where do the eCVT inefficiencies come from?

Probably the electric motor(s). In an eCVT, an electric motor plays double-duty as a torque converter and faux gear ratios. It does this by varying the electrical power sent to the motor. It's more efficient than a traditional torque converter, but not 100% efficient.

[Phase]

Originally Posted by Ecky

Generally speaking, the more horsepower you add, the worse the fuel economy gets.

As for why Hyundai still holds the crown for EPA, that's tough to say. According to Fuelly, in the real world the 4th gen Prius averages 2-3mpg higher than the Ioniq, despite the Ioniq being EPA-rated some 3-4mpg higher. They're both within spitting distance of each other though, and when they're that close, it kindof ceases to be important.

A lot of those real world ones are from people also doing city driving. The Ioniq sucks at city driving unless you super hyper mile it. If you drive it normally without paying attention, the city mpg is waaaay lower than the epa. Especially in winter driving with heat. My girlfriends Corolla hybrid has a lower epa city mpg, but it’s always a lot higher on its mpg driving locally. It’s a different story when it comes to interstate driving though. Even cleanmpgs tests show the Ioniq had better highway mpg at steady state driving than any other hybrid or Toyota out there. So long story short, Hyundai Ioniq better for steady state highway driving, worse for city stop and go. But if I hypermile ny Ioniq here on a mild summer day with the ac turned off, I can get 66-68 mpg around town doing errands. Which is still good for dealing with traffic lights

[hayden55]

phase make a warm air intake and do a grill block. you can get IATs up to 100F and make the car easily stay warm if you pull some header air. I do that in my prius so i don't have to freeze to death or let the engine run 24/7 in the winter. these cars are just so efficient they don't stay warm. Also it will be better on your oil and therefore your car. there's a reason why they say severe service is short cold winter trips. the gasoline and water tend to stay in cold oil better.

[cRiPpLe_rOoStEr]

Originally Posted by Blacktree

I think the Gen4 is hideous.

You're not the only one. AFAIK one of the reasons why Toyota released hybrid versions of the Corolla outside Japan was due to some conservative customers who rejected the appearance of the Prius in any of its generations. It's often said that a Latino would rather buy a hybrid Corolla instead of a Prius, and it might be true considering what happened in Brazil where the locally-produced hybrid Corolla outsold the imported Prius even though for a while the Prius had been offered with a considerable discount, as I was told by an old lady who had bought a brand-new Prius for the price of a non-hybrid Corolla about 3 years and half ago, a few months before the arrival of the hybrid Corolla.

[hayden55]

The only reason why i bought a prius was because it was like $7500 at the time and an accord of the same year base base base was $12000. So it makes sense. The price sold me over the looks lmao

[cRiPpLe_rOoStEr]

Originally Posted by hayden55

an accord of the same year base base base

Non-hybrid I suppose.

[hayden55]

yup