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[freebeard]

I was just spewing venom.It looks like everything can be hacked now.Darpanet turned out to be a double-edged a blade.

I guess I got trolled. I provided five timely examples (and two counterexamples). Then the conversation turned to gambling and hookers.

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by Xist

I was far more interested in the knowledge advantage than alcohol and parties. My collegiate career completely lacked the last two and I liked it that way.

Me too, as I went to community college... for like 8 years. I had to visit my friend at OSU to party. He's a doctor now.

If you're more interested in knowledge then you'd stay home (or visit a library) and just study on your own. Plenty of lectures are available online for free, and you can Google nearly anything.

College has the advantage of offering labs, and of course as you alluded to, the coveted paper which presumably implies a person has some minimum knowledge and competency in a field of study.

KSA is right though that the motivation is generally to gain an advantage. Really, our motivation to do just about anything is to advantage our current situation. If I wash the dishes, I have the advantage of being less likely to get ill from spoiled food.

The 3 categories of action seem to be to either gain an advantage, rest, or be entertained.

[Xist]

My agency employs various therapists, requiring degrees and certificates, and home health contractors. Minimum wage is $11 hourly in Arizona. The last that I checked, they pay $14 for respite--special needs babysitting with background checks and paperwork, and $16 an hour for habilitation--helping individuals with life skills.

Then there is something called Attendant Care where you change diapers, bathe them, and otherwise keep them alive and healthy. That usually pays less than the other two.

I could train a habilitation provider to do virtually everything that I do, but without the college, certificate, and liability insurance, they make $16 hourly, while the lowest rate that I have seen for an SLPA is $25 hourly.

Aside of random incoherent thoughts, I do not know that I have any ability to think outside the box. I do not know that college teaches you to conform, but it does not seem that most people without college figure out how to beat the rat race, either.

Often, it seems that college is how one pays to play in the job market.

[redpoint5]

Thinking outside the box is impossible, as the box represents your sphere of understanding. You can only increase the size of the box by seeking new information. College can help with that, but isn't necessary. I'm often critical of college, yet I attended for 8 years and learned quite a few things along the way. That said, it wasn't worth the cost for me.

I don't know why "attendant" and some therapy positions are so poorly compensated, as it's clearly a demanding job. There must be an abundance of people that are willing to do it. Then again, many construction jobs are poorly compensated, yet require a high degree of skill.

College is the conservative approach to success. By that I mean it's the time-tested way to prepare people for certain occupations. The liberal approach to success is to ditch college and do your own thing. Notable people are Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Frank Lloyd Wright, Buckminster Fuller and Mark Zuckerberg. For some individuals, creativity and learning is slowed by utilizing structured processes such as school. Perhaps for most people, the structured processes are beneficial.

Doing things differently involves risk. The probability of failure is increased, but then so is the potential for success.

If you go earn a paycheck, your "success" is pretty narrowly defined. If you are an entrepreneur, your success depends on how good your idea, implementation, and luck is.

[freebeard]

Thinking outside the box is impossible, as the box represents your sphere of understanding.

I love this.

[Xist]

I need to leave for work or I would look for a source, but I remember reading that billionaire dropouts said you need a degree with today's economy.

Also, it is the end if the world!
https://teslamotorsclub.com/blog/201...ice-up-by-400/

[redpoint5]

Of course they say that, as dropping out isn't a recipe for success for most people. They are the exceptions, not the rule.

That said, college costs more and returns less than ever before. If something costs more than ever yet returns less than ever, consumption of it should reduce. Since this doesn't appear to be happening, a bubble of sorts has developed. That explains the double-major liberal arts grads working at Walmart or as a nanny with burdensome student loans that cannot be dismissed in bankruptcy.

Why is it that student loans are unforgivable, but nearly any other type of financial obligation is?

[Xist]

Attorneys and doctors.

[freebeard]

I'm glad I bought and paid for my college education while Steve Jobs wasn't getting his.

I love this.

Further to this, Fuller explains that Universe can be divded into concentric spheres. One is of the things too microscale to matter, the things that matter, and another outer sphere of things too big to matter.

You could expand this to five sphere's with Rumsfords unknown-unkowns to known-knowns (both ways).

[Xist]

19,254 doctors graduated in the U.S. in 2017: https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/total-medical-school-graduates/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B"colId":"Location ","sort":"asc"%7D

Nearly 40,000 attorneys graduated in 2015: https://www.usnews.com/news/articles...-new-law-grads

"Class of 2018 medical school students graduated with $196,520 in student loans, on average:" https://www.nerdwallet.com/blog/loan...l-school-debt/

According to Earnest.com, in 2017 the average new attorney had $139,900 in student loan debt: https://www.earnest.com/blog/which-g...t-the-fastest/

Doctor debt per year: 19,254 x $196,520 = $3,783,796,080
Attorney debt per year: 40,000 x $139,900 ≥ $5,596,000,000

So, there is potentially nine billion dollars' worth of student loan debt written off each year just from doctors and attorneys.

It gives weird data about MBAs, but that is a tangent that we do not need.

Tin foil hat time! The average billionaire does not want you dropping out of college because then you would figure out how to become a billionaire!

Okay, you may doff your aluminum head covers.

This says there are nearly two million college dropouts each year: https://www.forbes.com/sites/frederi.../#72d3dafe5fd2

There are 540 billionaires in the U.S.: https://www.forbes.com/pictures/hdgi.../#440499b55bc0

Of the Forbes 400:
63 have only a high-school education.
29 have a Master's of Science
35 have law degrees
21 have generic PhDs (not law, medicine, etc.)
5 are medical doctos
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153

Well, that is not very useful, but 84.25% were not on the high-school-only list.