Tesla Model 3

[redpoint5]

I dunno, "the" can be applicable because when you're referring to a particular thing, you say "the". When I say I'm going to my parents house, I say I'm going to the farm; not I'm going to farm.

[jjackstone]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

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I've got a Dodge Ram\Cummins that is designated as a 1998.5 because mid-year they went from a mechanical fuel pump to electric. It's a significant change. Did the change happen exactly in June? There's got to be a better way to differentiate significant changes. Perhaps something like Mark 4.0, 4.1, 4.2 to show significant differences...

IIRC the first Mustangs were designated 1964 1/2. But no official '64 mustang. Could be wrong though.
JJ

[freebeard]

IIRC the 1964 was the notchback and the 1964½ was the fastback.

I haven't found a good reference, but searching on '"Internet" vs "the internet"' most of the discussion is about 'on' vs 'in' and Internet vs World Wide Web.* My thinking is that Internet isn't a thing, it's a mode or state of being.

*Some of it is wholey wrong:

Originally Posted by DDG

Books Vs The Internet: A Comprehensive Study
https://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/...ehensive-study
The Internet is a social platform where we can exchange our views, ideas or thoughts to the world, as well as know about the world in a better manner. Both Internet and books should go hand in hand so that the next generation enjoys a better future.

The destruction of thought by social media is complete. Social media exist as a subset of the WWW which is a subset of IP protocols built on Internet's TCP/IP model. The IP stack is four-layered (ISO) or seven layered (TCP/IP). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intern...d_OSI_layering

[redpoint5]

My take is "the internet" describes the global interconnection of compute nodes, like axons that provide neural pathways. It's communication infrastructure, not a particular endpoint or function. What happens after signal is received is up to the users at both endpoints.

In the "on" vs "in" discussion, I'm more inclined to say get in the plane is more appropriate than get on. I do get on my motorcycle though.

[Xist]

Do you log in or on?

[redpoint5]

Well I use my login to log on; or was that my logon to log in?

I might prefer in, as interacting with something involves immersion with it.

[RedDevil]

Tesla Model 3 standard range can't be ordered anymore, except on special request in Tesla shops (!) and the ones that have already been ordered now will get electric seats, a Standard Plus battery and a software locked 10% range limit.
Tesla says Standard Plus reservations outnumbered the Standard reservations by 6 to 1 so it wasn't worthwhile to keep the Standard on.

AutoPilot is no longer an option but mandatory; so from now on all Teslas have AutoPilot (which is not the FSD package). The price for the Standard Plus went up by $2,500, which is less than the $3,000 AutoPilot option used to cost.

Europe and China can order the Standard Plus now; €47,800 in its cheapest incarnation (but including AutoPilot) in Holland - this makes it very attractive for company lease contracts, which are almost tax free for EVs up to €50,000... so I expect a big run on them.
Delivery date not yet indicated in Europe, but Chinese customers get them by June.

Tesla now offers the 3 with lease contracts but won't sell them at the end of the lease; then they will become part of an autonomous Uber-like taxi network. This way Tesla, as the owner of the car, keeps the incentive.

[JSH]

Originally Posted by NeilBlanchard

The model year has nothing to do with design cycle. What IS confusing is buying a 2020 on January 1st 2019.

Of course it does.

Let's take that RAV4 that went on sale in January 2019. Now I haven't worked for Toyota but if they are on a similar cycle as my employer; to get cars to the dealer in January they would need to start serial production in November. If model year was tied to the build date those RAV4s that went on sale in January 2019 would be 2018 cars (sitting next to the old model 2018 RAV4s. Then about March suddenly 2019 cars would be on the lot sitting next to the new 2018 RAV4s and some left-over old 2018 RAV4s. So the dealer would have 3 different versions of the RAV4 for sale on his lot that were made a couple months apart. That not only is this confusing but customer would want a discount to buy the new 2018 RAV4 made in December vs the 2019 RAV4 made in January.

This doesn't even take into account the cars built before serial production to test production equipment and processes. My company does 2-3 rounds of preserial plant builds that are spaced 6 weeks apart. So the first production cars would come off the line in July.

Of course no auto manufacturer is going to have their redesigned vehicle change model years 1-2 months after it is released to the public. Instead they would have to target start of production for January. This is where the design cycle comes into play. If every new model has to start production in January then every vehicle would be on an identical design schedule. Each step of the process would be massively overloaded for part of the year and then basically idle the rest. Of course that can't work.

This is why model launches are scattered throughout the year - to keep the workload level in each step of the design cycle.

I agree selling a 2020 model year car in January 2019 doesn't make much sense. Legally build year and model year can differ by 2 years.

[Hersbird]

So did anybody actually really get a $35,000 model 3? It seems not a single one was actually delivered are they going to honor the price anyway? Does that price include shipping? Does it have gimmicks like "estimated fuel savings" also baked in?
Oh well, on to failing with promises on the Model Y I guess. Don't get me wrong Teslas are nice, but at $45-120k lots of companies make nice cars. Nice cars average people don't even buy used.

[RedDevil]

Deliveries should take place this very weekend - but they'll basically be Standard Plus versions for a Standard price.
The seats will be electric and the Standard Plus battery and features will be software limited to Standard specs.