BORPower additive?

[Piotrsko]

Ever try perfect circle rings with the interlocking second and oil rings? Not a lot of blow by there.

If you get iron based shavings on your magnetic plug after the second oil change, you have massive engine failure in your future.

[Logic]

Originally Posted by Piotrsko

Ever try perfect circle rings with the interlocking second and oil rings? Not a lot of blow by there.

If you get iron based shavings on your magnetic plug after the second oil change, you have massive engine failure in your future.

As I advise dissolving the Boric Acid in hot water and adding it to a hot engine it actually makes no difference to the topic at hand.

From Argonne National Labs who works with the US govt and NASA etc, not some student thesis:

The above results demonstrate that with a mixture of boric acid and an oil lubricant, the friction coefficients are reduced by 10 to over 1000% below those of the unmixed lubricant itself. The wear rates of pins are reduced by factors of 50 to 100 below those of pins tested in unmixed oil itself
https://patents.google.com/patent/US5431830A/en

That's what 1st got my attention and why I studied BA.
Then an old smokey engine came along and I tried it.
That car continued operating for years after till it was stolen.
Now I believe in BA and am trying to share.

Perhaps I should start a new topic:
Looking for 'Old Smokey' (car/engine) for experiment.

[Piotrsko]

Youre Gonna have to focus here. There was a mention of blow by in the ring area for which there is a fix and oil encrusted filings on the drain.

I replied what my 50+ years experience told me was the probable outcome, plasma,boric acid, whatever.

Do i believe your tales? Mostly,but sure ain't experiencing it personally

[freebeard]

Originally Posted by Logic

I have 25 papers ready to go in my favorites so far. Lets play!
[lay-ter]
Perhaps I should start a new topic:
Looking for 'Old Smokey' (car/engine) for experiment.

What resources do you have? Minimum would be money, a garage, and tools. Eventually you'd need microscopic inspection of the torn down parts.

Youre Gonna have to focus here.

Umm -- it's a 'BORPower additive' thread.

[Logic]

Originally Posted by freebeard

What resources do you have? Minimum would be money, a garage, and tools. Eventually you'd need microscopic inspection of the torn down parts.

There's no point in my adding Boric Acid to an engine freebeard.
Someone else has to experience the stuff and report back...

So ye; if someone here happens to have an old smokey engine that they are going to rebuild anyway...

So my question is; what concerns would you/everyone have if you did have an old engine you were about to rebuild anyway and you tried this?

Some microscopic shots of a metal surface with and without BA and the HOW it works:
https://sci-hub.ru/https://www.scien...01679X21000578
The abstract and conclusion, at the very least, are worth a read.

Here's an easy read press release from Argonne National Labs:
https://www.anl.gov/article/nanobori...-more-slippery

Strangely; here I am posting links again because everyone prefers to consider this BS rather than simply do a search for eg:
boric acid in oil lubricant research argonne national labs
So I find myself wondering: What the hell is wrong with people!? Why CHOOSE to live under a rock!??

[Logic]

Originally Posted by Piotrsko

Youre Gonna have to focus here. There was a mention of blow by in the ring area for which there is a fix and oil encrusted filings on the drain.

I replied what my 50+ years experience told me was the probable outcome, plasma,boric acid, whatever.

Do i believe your tales? Mostly,but sure ain't experiencing it personally

There was doubt as to how much water, formed during combustion, got past rings into stock oil.
Fact is; it's a substantial amount. So much so that there is research on the acids formed from combustion byproducts dissolved in said water.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/44722874
https://www.spectrosci.com/knowledge...e-oil-analysis
https://www.azomining.com/Article.aspx?ArticleID=1423

But lets say someone came up with a hypothetical high heat hydraulic like seal that never leaked anything to under the piston.
IF
I dissolve Boric Oxide in water and add it to the engine BELOW said seal.
THEN
How is the seal pertinent to the lubrication and surface protection abilities of BA on the other side of said seal..?

As for a completely clean, same as before, magnet on a sump plug:
Yes they are much cleaner once the engine is run in, but there's always a small amount of very fine particles on the sump plug magnets of an engine with std engine oil.
I looks like a grey/er layer with a sheen in sunlight.

I rebuilt my 1st engine at the age of 10 or 11, so no; I DO NOT consider a sump plug magnet that looks like a school experiment with iron filings normal wear.
(Makes me wonder what exactly your opinion of me is..? And, as respect is mutual; why you should expect mine of you to be any better..?)

[freebeard]

I'm not a candidate. My Superbeetle has good compression on the other three cylinders, and 70PSI on the first. I doubt the additive would help that situation.

[Logic]

Originally Posted by freebeard

I'm not a candidate. My Superbeetle has good compression on the other three cylinders, and 70PSI on the first. I doubt the additive would help that situation.

It might, thx to the 0.5 micron thick layer formed.
Thats 2 microns of play gone in a piston-sleeve and whatever the rings are worth.

But ye; if you aren't rebuilding "on Friday" or something...

Do You think I should start a post? Put in all the research links etc?

[freebeard]

Might be a valve, might be the head, or a blowout in the top of the cylinder. We won't know until it's torn down. All my VW engines would fail before they wear out.

Anyways, replacing a fender and the steering gearbox will come before the engine. It runs but it's not streetable.

Do You think I should start a post? Put in all the research links etc?

Isn't that what your doing already?

[Logic]

Originally Posted by freebeard

Might be a valve, might be the head, or a blowout in the top of the cylinder. We won't know until it's torn down. All my VW engines would fail before they wear out.

Anyways, replacing a fender and the steering gearbox will come before the engine. It runs but it's not streetable.



Isn't that what your doing already?

Removing the spark plug and adding a good a squirt or 2 of engine oil before a compression test should tell you if it's a valve or not:
The oil temporarily seals the ring area, but not a leaking valve...

I don't know what it says about a blown gasket or warped head.
There one generally looks at (oil added) flow from the crankcase vent and white oil etc.


This is a very old thread in the Unicorn corral.

"Looking for old smokey (car engine) for some scientific experiments"
Might find someone, besides me, willing to try BA before they strip down an old engine to rebuild it.

It seems that the top thought is:
"if BA is so great; why aren't all the car makers putting it in their engines/oils???"

Lets say you sell Anti Dandruff shampoo.
you have 1 000 000 loyal customers buying a bottle a month.
You make $1 per bottle for a cool $ 1 000 000 a month.

I come along and say: "Add this too your shampoo and Dandruff is permanently cured after 4 or 5 washes!" (cough-Colloidal Silver-cough)
Poof! There goes your $ 1 000 000 a month!

Car/engine manufacturers are in the game to SELL a lot of engines/cars, same as anti-dandruff shampoo makers...
Anything that makes engines, gearboxes, diffs, wheel bearings, etc last indefinitely is akin to Satan himself setting fire to their whole business.
ie: They are very likely to 'kill the messenger' rather than embrace him.

Where are the electric oil pressure before start systems?

Where are the coolant level alarms? (no water = no temperature measurement sent to the dashboard temperature gauge. I NB that some cars do now have coolant level warnings?)

A little oil pressure light is often missed too.
Race engines always have a very loud buzzer or similar on the same circuit as the warning light, built in.
Often the little warning light is also replaced with something more akin to the sun!
Only VW cars has a 'soft' buzzer as far as I know.

"Oh it's my fault because I never noticed the dim little warning light..." is a crafty scam to sell more engines/cars!