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Old 05-09-2018, 01:15 PM   #1611 (permalink)
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The poorest and warmer countries will be the most damaged ones by global warming.
That's why richer colder countries says global warming don't exist.
I would suggest that what is said does not necessarily represent what all it's citizens believe.

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Old 05-09-2018, 01:20 PM   #1612 (permalink)
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the specific causes of why solar and wind make electricity expensive, most if not all stem from their underlying physical and (thus environmental constraint), which is the limited, diffuse, dilute, and unreliable nature of renewable fuels..
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/michael.../#7eada63717e8
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China is actively seeking grid-scale power storage,such that 'output' is constant.
There is at least one solar thermal facility that is 'producing' 24-hours a day.
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Old 05-09-2018, 01:26 PM   #1613 (permalink)
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It is unnaturally cold here in Arizona.

You guys do realize that it is often hotter than normal in one place and colder than normal in another, right?
Yes! Climatologists warn us not confuse 'weather' with climate.
But even CNN and AccuWeather.com have abandoned their former stance of climate denial and are now willing to acknowledge the science.
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Old 05-09-2018, 01:29 PM   #1614 (permalink)
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One more thing... If climate change is such an issue, drop the speed limits globally. This will decrease fuel consumption considerably. For some reason governments aren't pushing this, but they know it is the one thing that can be done to drop CO2 output... one of many reasons I'm not drinking the Kool-Aid.
During World War-II the US lowered the national speed limit to 35-mph,and instituted fuel and rubber rationing.
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I agree with what you say,but there's a context,only in which your values would have merit,with caveats and conditions.
The well-to-wheels cost of fuel was on the order of $15 /gallon.Since the 'externalities' weren't reflected at the pump there was an illusion of cheap oil.From the song lyric "from the shores of Tripoli" there's a message.
Cheap oil was a $2.90/Barrel wellhead price for West Texas intermediate crude,on October 22,1973.Saudi Arabia's wellhead price was $0.25/barrel.Gasoline in my hometown was selling at $0.25/gallon.On the next day it changed forever.
I'm an Oklahoma oil producer,and I'm receiving $70/Barrel today,from wells which were producing for the family in 1973 and before.I don't lift a finger for it.
Solar would have (and is) a bargain.That's coming from a 'oil man.'
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As to green lust:
Man is combusting hydrocarbons in volumes equal to a 100-year-old Oak forest,forest fire,equal in surface area to the entire surface of Earth,every 7-months.We burned 30,000 years worth of forest since 1850.
The folks who pay attention to such things find this a bit disconcerting and have made solid causal links to global warming,something they see no good in.
Conservation measures between 1973 and 1985 increased GNP 32% for 21 participating IEA nations.
If you want to wreck the US economy keep filling half your tank with foreign oil.
I bought a leaf to be our primary vehicle, so for filling half my tank with foreign oil....

I project we are going to go from putting gas in our cars 3 or 4 times per month to less than once a month. Maybe even once every 2 months.
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Old 05-09-2018, 01:52 PM   #1616 (permalink)
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I think there's another agenda with this global warming or climate change issue. Not sure what, but I suspect it is financially motivated. Perhaps greed? or maybe to position countries in a more safe spot so that they aren't so dependent on oil countries. I understand the science of it all and theories, but it seems it's more of an explanation to lead everyone in a certain direction for a purpose and not that we are being told.
There have been peculiar push-back behaviors with respect to:
Tobacco
Opium
Coca leaf
Cannabis
Alcohol
Machine guns
Napalm
Biological weapons
Chemical weapons
Red Dye#2
Cyclomate sweeteners
Carbontetrachloride
Chlouroflourocarbons
Tetraethyl lead
Thalidomide
Polychlorinatedbyphenyls
Methyl tertiary butyl ether
Agent Orange
Plastic land mines
Incandescent lightbulbs
Magnetically-ballasted fluorescent lighting
Wood-fired locomotives
Coal-fired locomotives
Black Lung disease
Mad Cow's disease
Trash incinerators
Radium watch dials
Atmospheric nuclear testing
Outhouses
Single-pane windows
Wood-stoves
Ice-boxes
Stage coaches
Buckboards
Paddle-wheel steamships
Canoe-hull sailing vessels
Carburetors
Crankcase ventilation
Lasers shined in pilot's eyes
Smog
We've navigated past some of these superannuated common-day use items.
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Most of the world has a much lower speed limit than America. Ours is at about 50 mph, which is optimum for highway economy.

Anyway, people going 70 mph on the Freeway are achieving more per gallon of fuel than people stuck in rush hour gridlock going 0 mph. It's that latter part that most governments are trying to address.
In 2017,the average US motorist lost 42-hours in traffic.
Each 30-seconds of idling is considered a pollution cycle by the EPA.
That,times 261,800,000 light vehicles/year.
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Old 05-09-2018, 01:56 PM   #1618 (permalink)
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From the song lyric "from the shores of Tripoli" there's a message.
aerohead, I'm surprised. The message is piracy and slavery are bad.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Derne

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O'Bannon led his Marines and 50 Greek gunners with the field piece from the Argus, though the gun's effectiveness was lessened after the firing crew carelessly left the ramrod in the tube and fired it down range.
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The 1950 American film Tripoli starring John Payne, Maureen O'Hara, Howard da Silva is a fictionalized account of the Battle of Derne.
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Has anyone ever successfully created a petition to have street lights timed?
In the 1988,the Texas Governors Office published a report which said that for every $1 invested in traffic light synchronization,that Texas motorists would save $62.
That's why they won't do it.As long as Texas government pension plans (municipal,county,state,and teachers)benefits from fuel sales,there's no incentive for them to do anything beneficial to the taxpayer.
Then they mandate expensive emissions testing for the first 24-years of a vehicles life,while they cover Texas with new real estate development.
Every year,more counties are added to EPA non-attainment areas for ground-level ozone.As I write this,we're under an Ozone Action Day alert.
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What's this got to do with ...your mom?



How long did it take to gunny-bag that list?

It's unweighted and unsorted. Things and places. Some I'd need to look up. I prefer an overarching narrative one that can accommodate Earth weather and space weather, since they are all one thing. It turns out Earthspots and sunspots act the same and share features:

I've been tangentially following global warming and compiling data since my sophomore year (1977) in college.My internal combustion engine and air pollution class textbook 'said' that carbon dioxide had been an issue for 30-years or so.
In grade school,driving on the way to school,the radio announced the news from the from Mauna Loa monitoring station that there was no longer any place on Earth where there was 'clean' air.
These things don't leave your consciousness.

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