The climate change consensus extends beyond climate scientists

[redpoint5]

Obama jokes were never cool. I don't think I've heard a single one from Kimmel, Fallon, O'Brian, Stewart, or Cobert.

Somehow they all exited comedy at the same time, catching some sort of Trump obsession.

[freebeard]

Somehow they all exited comedy at the same time, catching some sort of Trump obsession.

The names I recognize (O'Brian?) are all late night TV, while comedy has moved to memes on Internet. Shadilay.

What the TV hosts exited is respect for the office of the President.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by RedDevil

I read about it some time ago in the New Scientist, but can't find back that copy right now.
Anyway, from wikipedia:

At that rate there won't be much left in 2025.

Thanks!
I had read that the US NAVY thought we might see a Blue Ocean Event by this September,but recent reporting seems to paint a more liberal picture.
One thing mentioned (it might have been Paul Beckwith) ,was that we need to pay attention to the Arctic ice VOLUME,and not necessarily surface area.
The 'ancient' ice was going away,and 'new' ice,while having 'area',had no appreciable mass compared to decades past.
AeroStealth commented awhile back,that we might want to go ahead and reserve our North Pole,water-skiing packages,before demand pushes prices up.

[redneck]

NeilBlanchard

Olympic National Park alone has lost 82 glaciers since just 1984. The Olympic Mountains have four big valley glaciers with glaciers extending down into their lower slopes, but when the park first inventoried its glaciers back in 1958, there were twice as many. The winter of 2015 was the lowest snowpack on record for the Olympics.

For context.

How many have disappeared in the last 100, 500, 1000 years or since the last ice age ?

Quote:
In the Arctic, the sea ice hit a record low this year for ice older than five years, and scientists say the summers will be ice-free in the Arctic Ocean in the future — the only question is when. The last four years have been the four lowest on record for the maximum winter sea ice extend and clearly, this trend will continue.

Conjecture at best.

Quote:
And things are not any better in the Antarctic, where new research found that parts of the Larsen C ice shelf are actually melting during the depths of winter when temperatures stay well below freezing. This is due to the fact that “Foehn winds” are bringing warmer temperatures, and between 2015 and 2017, caused around 23 percent of the annual surface melt of the ice shelf to occur during the winter months.

Another discovery from Antarctica has shown that ACD is likely happening even faster than we know. A group of scientists found that Antarctica’s Southern Ocean is most likely not absorbing as much carbon dioxide as previously believed, which means more is remaining in the atmosphere, which of course, amplifies ACD.

Again.

Conjecture and assumption.

Meanwhile, extreme weather events continue apace. The island of Kauai witnessed a shocking rain event, when one storm brought over four feet of rain in just 24 hours. Scientists warned that the event was a sign of the future, although it is now something that is a matter of history.

The Island of Kauai regularly sees rain fall in access of 24' in 24hrs.

The "supposed" 48" rainfall event has not been certified.

The official record for Hawaii is 38 inches at Kilauea on Jan. 24-25, 1956


Discharge rates for the storm were not even close to a record.

https://hi.water.usgs.gov/studies/fl...ai_2018_04.pdf


Even if so, a single weather event is not indicative of a trend.

The second 1,000-year flood in just two years struck Ellicott City, Maryland, further underscoring the aforementioned warning from scientists.

Severe flooding has been occurring there since day one...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellicott_City,_Maryland

Ellicott City has had major devastating floods in 1817, 1837, 1868,[58] 1901, 1917, 1923, 1938, 1942, 1952, 1956, 1972 (Hurricane Agnes), 1975 (Hurricane Eloise), 1989, 2011, 2016, and 2018

Ellicott City has flooded nearly 15 times since its inception in 1772.

ELLICOTT CITY, Md. (WBFF) - Following the disastrous flooding on Sunday, many residents and businesses owners have raised the question of whether or not runoff from nearby development is to blame.

Ellicott City has flooded nearly 15 times since its inception in 1772.


“You have to understand that Ellicott City is a mill town. It was built where it is for a reason,” said Andy Miller, a geomorphologist at UMBC. “[It was] to take advantage of the very steep narrow valley for water power. And now it’s become a historic landmark.”

It is not clear how much water flows through the watershed during any given floodstream water gauges are in the process of being installed.

And finally...

Disconcertingly, a recently published study showed that CO2 released from dying forests being decimated by tree-killing pests (which are on the increase as temperatures warm) is equivalent to the emissions from 11 million cars.

Rising temperatures bring other problems as well. One study showed that as winters continue to warm, hibernating black bears in the US aren’t sleeping. This means they require more food, and often end up searching for food from humans, which causes obvious problems. The study showed that for every 1 degree Celsius (1°C) minimum temperature increase, bears hibernate six fewer days. According to the study, by 2050, black bears will stay awake between 15-39 days longer each year, thus requiring that much more food.

Complicating things further, a recently published study showed that ACD is on track to cause a calamitous decline of insects across the world. Climate projections show that insects will lose nearly half their habitat from that alone, not even including human encroachment and other factors. Given that insects are vital to nearly every ecosystem on Earth, their widespread collapse would assuredly cause deep disruption across the planet, including humans’ ability to feed ourselves. It is worth remembering that last October, scientists warned of “ecological Armageddon” when a study found that the number of flying insects in Germany (and likely elsewhere) had plummeted by three-quarters in the last 27 years alone.

So which is it...???

Insects are increasing or declining...???


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[freebeard]

Thanks.

It is not clear how much water flows through the watershed during any given floodstream water gauges are in the process of being installed.

It seems to have finally come to someone's attention? The Boring Company could gift them with an aqueduct.

[aerohead]

Sure,they're working with numerical models,but since 1995 they pretty much ruled out natural variability and have found a correlation which does incriminate anthropogenic forcing,with seasonal preference,especially in the Northern Hemisphere.
The trend began in 1950,when CO2 really took off.
It was only when they factored in Sulfate aerosol cooling that observations began to fit projections.
CO2 insn't going down,so there might be an expectation to see the trend continue.It's their job to throw a caution flag on the field if they see something fishy.
We'll have to just wait and see how it plays out.
Re:'Towards the Detection and Attribution of an Anthropogenic Effect on Climate,' B.D.Santer etal.,PCMDI Report No. 21,Lawrence Livermore National Lab.,1995,from SCIENCE,VOL.268,16 JUN 1995,p.1568.

[freebeard]

CO2 insn't going down,so there might be an expectation to see the trend continue.It's their job to throw a caution flag on the field if they see something fishy.

AGW, like slavery, is a choice.

I believe [but cite needed] it was Scott Adams that said sequestering all the CO2 would cost $2 trillion compared to a total US debt of $21 trillion. Do those numbers sound right?

Considering it's a global problem, whoever fixes that would gain a lot of prestige.

[All Darc]

Háaa háaaa háaaa...

Doctor Who now is a woman...

Who will fix the Tardis now ?


Things can get worse... You know... a company managed to a breakthrough in tissue regeneration. They managed to regenerated the three layers of skins, including glands and folicle, something never done before. They also regenerate bones like noone ever did. They have similar approachs, using what they call principle of bio-polarity, and will test on nerves, muscles, cartilage, veins... It can be a possible revolution, if all works.
Maybe in a decade or two they can recreate small body parts, like fingers.

But what the menace in all this things?
Well, I bet women will ask for a bio-engineered penis, just to revange on man, and activists will try to convince man to "receive from women", otherwise they will call the man as bigots.
And lesbians will got "double pleasure".

The future is dark... (na racism intented).

Originally Posted by Xist

Remember when blaming George W. was cool? Much like the below trend:

[All Darc]

Try to discover cold fusion then talk about verticql farming.
You will need a lot of energy to grow food using lamps.

Originally Posted by Xist

Didn't we discuss vertical farming a while ago? They promise world peace, new and improved emojos, and hats that truly make you look ironic, all through the magic of solar panels and LEDs!

How efficient are those two technologies? How does that ever make more sense than direct sunlight?

A professor at Arizona State said it was difficult to do an energy audit there because it had been designed with the promise of abundant and cheap nuclear energy. If electricity becomes cheaper than land then maybe vertical farming would make sense. Yes, you can control the environment (like you can in a greenhouse), and you can adjust the bandwidths the plants receive, but how many bandwidths do solar panels receive?

[All Darc]

Showers and toilets and the dishwashing... These took a lot of water, but no government invest in solutions. Bill Gates invested in a techno-toilet that use no water and even produces bio fertilizer.

Water mist could replace usual water stream of showers and dishwashing, reducing a lot the consume.

There are many ways to imagine alternatives, but few interest of governments.

Originally Posted by freebeard

I don't have presuppositions about how it would happen. Or that it will (we've been sleep-walking since the 1970s). Just that it could, maybee, kinda...

roll-to-roll plastic foils for glazing/power
structures made from 3D printed bacteria+lime and sand
LEDs to change the spectrum through the growing season (best practice in Colorado today)
hydroponic permaculture?

OTOH, topsoil can be made from sand in one watering with a nano-clay emulsion.

edit: [citation [was] needed]
http://alexexch.org/File/2016003704/En/2270.pdf
https://www.desertcontrol.com