The climate change consensus extends beyond climate scientists

[oil pan 4]

Originally Posted by Xist

Source: Diminutive ave.

Information that cannot be confirmed cannot be validated.

I know. Just like all the climate change computer models where the source data is a secret.
Just believe it.

[redneck]

Originally Posted by aerohead

I read the piece.They say that the central argument remains the same,just not with as much statistical precision.
Not as bad as ENRON and Arthur Andersen though.They just completely made stuff up.

So you read the article but not the paper that showed that there was no statistical increase in the current rate ?

They claimed 60 percent.

60 percent.

There was zero percent.

Zero...


https://www.nicholaslewis.org/wp-con...906ff-36424229

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Conclusions

The findings of the Resplandy et al paper were peer reviewed and published in the world’s premier scientific journal and were given wide coverage in the English-speaking media. Despite this, a quick review of the first page of the paper was sufficient to raise doubts as to the accuracy of its results. Just a few hours of analysis and calculations, based only on published information, was sufficient to uncover apparently serious (but surely inadvertent) errors in the underlying calculations.
Moreover, even if the paper's results had been correct, they would not have justified its findings regarding an increase to 2.0°C in the lower bound of the equilibrium climate sensitivity range and a 25% reduction in the carbon budget for 2°C global warming.

Because of the wide dissemination of the paper's results, it is extremely important that these errors are acknowledged by the authors without delay and then corrected

Of course, it is also very important that the media outlets that unquestioningly trumpeted the paper’s findings now correct the record too.

But perhaps that is too much to hope for.

Nicholas Lewis

6 November 2018

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That peer reviewed premier scientific journal was ”Nature”.

Which is one of the trusted sources you touted previously.

It will be interesting if they post a retraction or correction in a upcoming issue.


P.S
I’m not holding my breath.




Also.

I’m trying to figure out why you posted in your last two replies to me references to the 2008 meltdown and Enron.

Is it because we were lied to, had our money siphoned away then dragged our economy thru financial hell for the benefit of a few who ran a Ponzi scheme ...???

Sorta like AGW, carbon credits and the associated lower living standards that come along with it...???

If so...

I’m right with you...






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[sendler]

Here is the Tecno-salvation plan from Shell for guiding business as usual toward a better outcome.
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https://www.shell.com/promos/meeting...enario-sky.pdf
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Terrible double wide pdf format though.

[oil pan 4]

Yeah that's the whole plan.
Lower everyones standard of living so that you feel better about perceived damages to the planet.

Unless the plan is to tax everything carbon related to raise money to build nuclear power plants and shutdown most of the coal and then the natural gas plants then everything but that is just BS and non solutions.
The taxation plan now is just redistribution of wealth, tax everything, put up some solar an give a bunch of money to the UN because they have such a great record of being responsible with money.

If the money was going to be used to build nuclear power plants, waste recycling infrastructure and gen 4 reactor research then count me in.

[Xist]

I did not see anything novel in that PDF, but it was like reading a textbook. Tax carbon, subsidize electric cars, and accelerate installation of wind and solar farms, as well as nuclear and natural gas. Replace petroleum products with biomass, biofuel, and hydrogen. Install 10,000 carbon sequestration sites and reforest an area the size of Brazil.

I still do not agree that burning biomass is carbon neutral. Leave the carbon in the ground. Don't release it back into the atmosphere! Biofuel and natural gas would also release carbon dioxide. Even if you use 100% wind and\or solar to generate hydrogen and you split water and natural gas, you still need to deal with hydrogen embrittlement.

I absolutely support replanting forests. Since people claim that grass sequesters more carbon than trees (which does not make any sense), I would advocate for planting lawns on rooftops. You would not need to worry about the weight of thirty-foot tall trees with roots trying to run twenty feet deep, just six inches!

Except people probably want rooftop solar.

[RedDevil]

I want rooftop solar. But if I can get a rooftop robot lawn mower I might change my mind.

[All Darc]

Australia on very serious energy crisis. Elon Musk's idea of giant battery was mocked by australian government.

Part 1 :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7BMaG3zyVo

Part 2:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U63z6YOGYCY

[slowmover]

Originally Posted by aerohead

This morning,on Deutche-Velle TV,from Berlin,they said that VW will be converting 3-manufacturing plants over to EV production.They've cut a deal with SK Innovation,South Korea to supply the packs.
Europe already offers 25-different EVs on the market.
Jaguar will offer EV variants for half their models by 2025.
Mercedes-Benz expects 65% of their sales to be EVs by 2040.
ICE has been banned in a number of countries for the near future.
Looks like electric is hitting it's stride.

EV is being forced. Period. It’s nothing but greater control.

How’s your social credit score?

Oh, no local suppliers, and online won’t accept your order.

EV is more of the same. (Sorry, no charging for you. Anywhere).

One can argue content, but it’s who determined context that mattered.

Who, whom.

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[RedDevil]

EV's are pretty much accepted here, and he charging infrastructure is building up fast.

The thing that is holding back the rate at which new charging stations are built is the fact that the current ones are nowhere near full use. They are built in anticipation of future increased use. More charging stations now are simply not necessary. They will be in the future, but there is no reason to expect that the market suddenly stops responding to demand.

Once EV sales go up, finding local charging stations ceases to be a problem.

[sendler]

Originally Posted by All Darc

Australia on very serious energy crisis. Elon Musk's idea of giant battery was mocked by australian government.

Musk teared up when she told him electricity is so expensive there that some people were forced to choose between paying for enough AC to survive, and paying for food. He really cares very deeply about the future of humanity and carries a heavy weight. He responded solemnly "We will try harder". No wonder he has been acting a bit crazy lately.
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https://youtu.be/w7BMaG3zyVo
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