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Old 11-21-2018, 03:51 PM   #3861 (permalink)
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I don't think we can now.All the flora and fauna which supported pre-civilized tribes we've already destroyed.
And since warfare is by definition 'statecraft',there really isn't any human history which was devoid of 'government'.A pack of wolves is a government.
Think post-civilization?

Anarchism is an intellectual property, not intrinsic to nature 'red in tooth and claw'. Try minarchism:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night-watchman_state

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In libertarian political philosophy, a night-watchman state, or minarchist state, is a model of a state whose only functions are to provide its citizens with the military, the police and courts, thus protecting them from aggression, theft, breach of contract and fraud and enforcing property laws.[1][2][3] Nineteenth-century Britain has been described by historian Charles Townshend as standard-bearer of this form of government among Western countries.[4]
Compare with anarcho-capitalism.
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Because Minarchism is fundamentally a pragmatic theory of politics, while Anarcho-Capitalism is typically a result arrived at from strict moral reasoning.
[Search domain www.quora.com/topic/Minarchism] https://www.quora.com/topic/Minarchism

Minarchy r/Minarchy - reddit
Minarchism is a libertarian political philosophy which advocates for the State to exist solely to protect citizens from aggression, theft, breach of contract, and fraud.
[Search domain www.reddit.com/r/Minarchy/] https://www.reddit.com/r/Minarchy/
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Exactly what I have been saying here for the last year. We are not that far apart after all. Resource depletion will curtail material throughput due to steadily rising costs of extraction/ production in the next coming decades. The growth/ debt based economic system system we have relied on for the last 100 years will cease to be viable. Ideally we would try to phase in a new social system now but there is too much social momentum in desperately attempting to maintain business as usual with worldwide quantitative easing. So the next best thing is for enlightened individuals to study the coming options and be ready with some ideas of a plan B when the time arrives.
Standing by. As I have since the 1970s, when I read the Ur-environmentalist R. Buckminster Fuller.

Politics follows culture. Them hippys tried, but Mad Ave. shut them down. I lived in a geodesic dome throught the 1990s. I live in a $900 house today with electricity at $.054/kilowatt-hour.
[parenthetically, what I've learned using the library computer is that Windows doesn't have direct access to the upper ASCII character set. Macintosh had three-key access in 1984, and Windows declared parity in 1995 and laughed at the single-button mouse.

Now it's 2018 and you still have to memorize the ASCII value or pick it with a tool. It's been days and I'm still LOL.]

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Old 11-22-2018, 09:47 AM   #3862 (permalink)
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IPCC says highest ever CO2 yet observed.
(Even though CO2 levels were many times higher in the past and nothing happened)
But the accompanying heat seems to be lacking.
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-8F/ -22C last night in NY. Central and Eastern USA is one of the few places on Earth that has had no warming in the last 30 years due to the new instability of the Polar Vortex. And there is a Solar Super Grand Minimum beginning.
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But the believers say the sun doesn't effect climate.


I'm well aware of the extended solar minimum and they are too. That's why they are freaking out.
Once and for all it is about be proven that man is not the driving force behind and they know it.
They just can't accept it.
Of the 7 stages of loss they seem to be stuck in mostly denial and some in anger.
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one transparent climate model

In the 14 October,1999,Volume 401 NATURE, Myles Allen,of the Space Science Dept.,Rutherford Appleton Laboratory,Chilton,Didcot,UK, wrote an open letter to anyone with a personal computer,who'd like to participate in a Million-plus member,ensemble climate forecast.
They would provide the Hadley Center,UK Meteorological Office' HadCM3 model,plus data,to run the hundreds of thousands of model iterations which would help them better determine tasks for higher-resolution,expensive and time-consuming supercomputer iterations.
At the time,millions of individuals were already participating in the 'SETI@home' ensemble radio-astronomy project,to discover extraterrestrial signals.
A PC of the day would require 6-months to accomplish a single iteration of the model,with the memory capacity of a video game system.
Anyone interested was to contact:
http://www.climate-dynamics.rl.ac.uk

So we have at least one example where the climatology community offered open access,to not only the computer model,but also the raw data that would be incorporated in the modelling.
Perfect transparency.
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We are getting the extreme cosmic energy stuff now.
We'll not right now but with in the last few months.
In May,1995,monitors were picking up cosmic particles with energies in excess of 13 X 10 to the 9th power electron Volts,at the University of Chicago,Haleakala Crater,Maui,Hawaii,neutron sensor.
They figured that CMEs were accelerating these high-energy particles within propagating shockwaves which preceded the CME itself.
Other equipment was watching gamma ray bursts and their infrared after glow.
And muon/tau-type neutrinos were also being looked at.
It's fun stuff!
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Exactly what I have been saying here for the last year. We are not that far apart after all. Resource depletion will curtail material throughput due to steadily rising costs of extraction/ production in the next coming decades. The growth/ debt based economic system system we have relied on for the last 100 years will cease to be viable. Ideally we would try to phase in a new social system now but there is too much social momentum in desperately attempting to maintain business as usual with worldwide quantitative easing. So the next best thing is for enlightened individuals to study the coming options and be ready with some ideas of a plan B when the time arrives.
While public ignorance has driven the climate change challenge,it appears that an enlightened public is perceived as the greater evil.
Otherwise every public school in the US,up through state universities would require mandatory climate-related curriculum.
I don't have any idea where the necessary education is going to come from.
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Oh, I remember the sulfate issue.

Makes you wonder what the climate would be like if we didn't clamp down on that.

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A few million more respiratory disease deaths a year might even slow consumption and overall emissions down, too.
It may become the new 'asbestos'.

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