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Old 02-13-2019, 08:53 PM   #5001 (permalink)
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1000 yearly deaths by hypothermia in the US are 1000 deaths too many. Nonetheless, this is peanuts compared to heat related deaths. I don't have the stats for the US, but during heat waves in the Netherlands (which means temperatures above 30 Celsius or . 86 Fahrenheit) the death toll increases by 40 to 100 per week.
Extrapolating that to the US population size and higher temperatures makes me wonder why your heat related numbers show up that low?
Maybe the number of homeless people skew the stats? Everyone can find shelter over here.

Of course, if we expand to cold or heat related the difference is even bigger. There aren't that many lethal cold related diseases, unlike heat related diseases.

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Old 02-14-2019, 03:32 PM   #5002 (permalink)
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I found this fascinating:

Especially the part about baboons kidnapping pupies and domesticating them.
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Living In The Future's Past movie.
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Amazing film making. Stunning cinematography and editing. Brilliant audio capture and music design. A complex story that needs to be contemplated by more people, more often. Essential concepts for all humans to understand going forward.
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A disjointed montage with no correlation to the monologue.

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I've already posted evidence before about cold killing more than heat. You can skew the figures any way you wish based on how you define cold and heat related death. If you consider freezing crop failure causing food prices to rise, and causing malnutrition related disease, that would be one abstract way to show that cold is worse than heat... that's the same level of abstraction it takes to go from heat > mosquitos > malaria > people bitten by malaria carrying mosquitos > people dying of malaria (heat).

If we're talking about direct causes of death, cold freezes people to death with more frequency than heat smothers them.

Really though, it's plainly obvious that humans thrive more in these temperatures compared to the temperatures that brought about ice ages. Not frozen is generally better for humans. The more not frozen the planet is, the better we do.



I was only familiar with the phrase through Chrome, but guessed it had come from Star Trek.
Some species are evolutionarily selected for freezing.They'll be extinct without it.
Once man left Equatorial Africa all bets were off as far as survival goes.If you find yourself freezing to death,there was choice involved on your part.
I can't at all agree with your assessment that a more not frozen planet is better.
There's a growing body of observational evidence that points to the contrary.
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I'm actually finding no graphs to support the notion that more people die of hyperthermia than hypothermia.





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Appreciate the data,however they provide no context.No conditions for which the conclusions were drawn.
We might want a couple-three pages of text to flesh out the methodologies used to create the graphs.
If these deaths all occurred in the developed world,we'd have the context of housing,or street people,commuting exposure,traffic accident-related death by exposure,drug-overdose-death-by exposure,etc.
We'd also have a sense of mitigations like urban misters proliferation,free electric fan and window air conditioning programs.
This winter,Chicago offered municipal buses as emergency warming structures for homeless people.
Many cold victims die in their cars,stuck in blizzards.
Power lines go down in storms,knocking out power to residents.Rolling brownouts/blackouts.
Farm workers dropping dead in fields from heat-related kidney failure.Construction workers fainting from heat stroke and falling to their death.
All these potentialities need to be spelled out in these graphical representations.
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Not to mention rubber on black ice.
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*Heat stroke: core temperature 104-F,perspiration ceases,organ failure,death.
*104-F,photosynthesis ceases.
*2003,Italy: 18,000 die in heat wave
*2003,France: 14,000 die in heat wave
*2003,Europeverall,52,000 heat-deaths.
*2006,Congo: heat-related hunger and disease erode democracy
*2008-2018,El Salvador: 2,500 cane cutters die of heat-related renal failure,unable to remain hydrated enough in the fields.
*2008-2018,El Salvador: 90% coffee crop failure due to heat.
*2010,56,000 die in Russian heat wave-related events.40% of grain crop fails.Food exports suspended.Food prices skyrocket in Middle East lading to civil war.
*2014 record heat USA
*2015 record heat USA
*2016 record heat USA
*June,2016,British Royal Navy Type-45 destroyers flee 90-F Persian Gulf waters
*2017 record heat USA
*2017 Pacific heat 'blob'-atmospheric rivers,Pineapple-Express,flooding
*2018 record heat USA
*Heat-warming-pine beetle infestation-tree kill-'fuel'-wildfires
*Wild fires,fire fighters,heat exhaustion
*2019 Pacific heat,atmospheric rivers,flooding,mudslides,houseslides.
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A disjointed montage with no correlation to the monologue.
True. The dialog and script of the Living In The Future's Past movie suffer from too many cooks in the kitchen. But as someone who appreciates the art of film making, I'm very impressed with the production. And it does contain some valid information that can soaked up along the way.

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