The climate change consensus extends beyond climate scientists

[NeilBlanchard]

Check this out:

[oil pan 4]

So they thought the world was warming up, then in the 1970s the scientists were convinced that the earth was going into the next ice age. Now it's warming up again.
I'm sure 97% were convinced each time.

I for one could go with out a repeat of " 1800 and froze to death".
Snowy winters soon becoming a thing of the past sounds more like a solution to a problem than an actual problem.

I have lived in Maine and northern Japan so my hatred of snow runs deeper than the 2002-2003 winter snow fall in northern Japan, where we got 250+ inches.

[freebeard]

Here are the external links from today on Suspicious 0bservers:

Today's Featured Links:

• Greenhouse Gas Model: https://www.omicsonline.org/open-acc...ture-Model.pdf...
• Greenhouse Gas Model 2: http://principia-scientific.org/publ...of_GHE-EaE.pdf...
• May US Climate: https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/temp-and-p...us-maps-select...
• Oxygen-Rosetta: https://arxiv.org/pdf/1706.01948.pdf

[NeilBlanchard]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

So they thought the world was warming up, then in the 1970s the scientists were convinced that the earth was going into the next ice age.

No, this is not the case. There was an effect of particulates from pollution that was blocking the sun - and ironically, when we got EPA regulation that got cars cleaner, the effect went away.

There was no scientific conclusion that we would have an ice age, because of this effect. It temporarily slowed the warming in some places - but the underlying and slower effect of warming because of increasing carbon dioxide never changed, or went away.

Oh, and climate change IS CONSISTENT with greater precipitation - INCLUDING more snow. Because with a warmer climate, there is more evaporation (and water vapor is also a GHG) and this will inevitably more precipitation, in some places, as well as more drought in other places.

[RustyLugNut]

Originally Posted by NeilBlanchard

I would rather it to stay like it was before 1850.

Should we be doing social and economic engineering that benefit some, and disadvantage others?

I had a late friend who passed at 95. She told me of times when she was a young child that it used to snow on the beaches here in San Diego. I rather like the currently mild weather and the year round bikini temperatures.

I have little doubt that the globe is warming. My only beef is that we have chosen to pin it all on CO2. What if we go ahead and spend trillions a year to mitigate CO2, hampering our advanced economies, only to find we guessed wrong and it was a combination of other factors we did not take into account?

[freebeard]

Ruggedize, don't mitigate.

It's during mild weather that one should be preparing to extend into the extremes, both ways.

[oil pan 4]

We have been getting more rain in NM.
Any climate change is good here because what we have is no good.
I don't deny man made climate change I look forward to it.

[sendler]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

We have been getting more rain in NM.
Any climate change is good here because what we have is no good.
I don't deny man made climate change I look forward to it.

You are only looking into your own back yard. There are a Billion people people in India and South East Asia who's cities will be more and more wrecked by floods. And then they will be coming with pointy sticks to take over your yard.

[oil pan 4]

See the thing is if they implement all the climate change BS even the believers claim that it will prevent something like 0.4°C temperature rise in 2100 and that's only if both China and India play along too and if you ignore all the previous climate predictions besides "it's getting warmer" which have been wrong.

So everyone we will ever know in our life times will be long dead before any benefit might be realized.

Too many ifs and mights for me.

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by sendler

You are only looking into your own back yard. There are a Billion people people in India and South East Asia who's cities will be more and more wrecked by floods. And then they will be coming with pointy sticks to take over your yard.

Probably true, but that is over the course of a hundred years. It's more like a frog sitting in a pot that is slowly getting warmer than tossing a frog into boiling water.

Nobody is going to war because of global warming. People affected by land loss will not drown, but slowly migrate over time. Heck, most people can probably live out the rest of their lives where they are, with their descendants planning for a future of higher ocean levels.