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Old 08-11-2021, 05:46 PM   #301 (permalink)
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There have been recent flares that if the Earth had been 3 months earlier (or later?) in it's orbit we'd have already been toast.

I confuse easily. Your Permalink #288 was a response to a direct quote from Permalink #286
  • Assertion #1 It's all one thing.
  • Assertion #2 Science and philosophy used to be one thing as well.
Climate, as such, is limited to a thin layer between the Lithosphere and the Karmann Line. Are you saying it's insulated on both interfaces, or scientists are just myopic.
* I was addressing things that oilpan4 mentioned.
* We have about two days notice of annihilation, and there's no place to go, so we just have to live with the risk of being close to a star.
* I think meteorologists would argue that terrestrial weather and space weather are in leagues of there own.
* Academia still ends at a PhD, so in science, philosophy is still intertwined.
* What happens in the troposphere is, by definition our climate. Climatology, however, is an extremely interdisciplinary field of study, bringing dozens and dozens of highly specialized groups together. Lots of word salad. Their vision is extremely microscopic, macroscopic, panavision. It takes more than a village.

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* I was addressing things that oilpan4 mentioned.
As you were quoting me. As I said, I confuse easily.

You're certainly the expert on word salad.
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2 days is being optimistic. The fastest CME observed so far could get here in about 16 hours.
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The fast ones wind up pushing the slow ones. Then you get real trouble.
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Or the coronal hole stream plows the road giving a clear shot for the CME to hit at full speed.
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I know it's complicated.

What's that about instant coupling through the height of the atmosphere part, I don't get that.

I understand how the electromagnetic effects flow up in a high pressure cell and downward in a low. And Hadley cells and all that.
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That's a big 10-4!
You might find interesting today's cite on S0:

How the Geomagnetic Field Influences Life on Earth – An Integrated Approach to Geomagnetobiology
Weronika Erdmann, H. Kmita, J. Kosicki & Ł. Kaczmarek


Or even the smack-down B. Davidson gives to NASA.

edit: It's not climate change, it's the end of the Holocene!
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NASA and the climate scientists still think the sun has little to no effects on the atmosphere.
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The fast ones wind up pushing the slow ones. Then you get real trouble.
Yeah, the pocket-protector set speak of:
' slow speed / high-speed, overtaking compressive magnetized plasma corotating interaction regions ( CIR )', with shockwaves, accelerations to high energies, expanding and pushing .
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I know it's complicated.

What's that about instant coupling through the height of the atmosphere part, I don't get that.

I understand how the electromagnetic effects flow up in a high pressure cell and downward in a low. And Hadley cells and all that.
1) Are we talking about 'instant' electromagnetic coupling, aero coupling, or static charges building on the anvil of a supercell?
2) Any change in the magnitude of geomagnetic lines of flux would be telegraphed instantaneously, as this is a 'field'.
3) Atmospheric 'coupling' would have to do with diurnal solar-driven, and land/sea infrared emission-driven, convective aerodynamic mixing between the land/ sea-surface and top of the stratosphere.
4) Electrostatic charges / lightning, are a function of atmospheric friction/ ionization, in the upper atmosphere.

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