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'proportional'
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Fact if there's a 1 ohm and a 10 ohm path for current to flow. If current follows the path of least resistance than the 10 ohm path would have no current flow. This is wrong and easy to test.
A corrected ohms law would say something to the effect of "current flow is proportional to resistance".
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Bingo!
I ran a 12-VDC sample problem using the two resistances and the results were EXACTLY proportional.
Good call!
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02-14-2023, 09:11 AM
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Perhaps.
Are you going to support your x-ray 'wrongness' assertion?
Are you going to support your sunspot 'wrongness' assertion?
I never saw more than a partial page about the 'superconductivity' argument, would you like to contribute to that one?
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When a blast of x-rays from solar flares (not the CME) hits earth from a low x class or long duration m class at least 2 things always happen. 1 radio blackout for over the horizon lower frequently communication and 2 slight power line induction, both on the sun facing side. Eventually with a strong enough flare, like a x 160 class or higher it will be like detonating a few kilo ton nuke 500 miles up and cause all sorts of EMP related problems and we will see more than a barely measurable induction of voltage on power lines and radio blackout will effect higher frequencies that normally work just fine at line of sight during typical radio blackout.
Oh and also some of Kirchhoff's laws are wrong too. Particularly the one about emissivity.
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02-16-2023, 11:27 AM
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radio blackout and power grids
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When a blast of x-rays from solar flares (not the CME) hits earth from a low x class or long duration m class at least 2 things always happen. 1 radio blackout for over the horizon lower frequently communication and 2 slight power line induction, both on the sun facing side. Eventually with a strong enough flare, like a x 160 class or higher it will be like detonating a few kilo ton nuke 500 miles up and cause all sorts of EMP related problems and we will see more than a barely measurable induction of voltage on power lines and radio blackout will effect higher frequencies that normally work just fine at line of sight during typical radio blackout.
Oh and also some of Kirchhoff's laws are wrong too. Particularly the one about emissivity.
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All true!
And the 'scientists' haven't been 'idle' since the Carrington Event of 1859.
NASA, European Space Agency, and Chinese Stable- Support Scientific Project of Research Institute of Radiowave Propagation have 'surrounded' the Sun with satellites.
No matter 'where' a sunspot, flare, CME, full-halo CME, ICME, SPE, CIRS, IMF, etc. occurs, they can instantly locate it, determine it's size, magnitude, direction of travel, intercept time with Earth's magnetosphere, and broadcast advisory and warning bulletins to all satellite operators, electric power grid operators, Pilots, ships captains, Military, ect., providing lead times, from minutes, to days, to take appropriate actions to prevent, or minimize effects to their infrastructure and assets.
Virtually all US Federal departments, agencies, and international partners are involved.
I don't think we'll ever get caught with our pants down.
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02-16-2023, 11:40 AM
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The blast of x-rays travels at the speed of light, this is not CME.
There is no waring for x-ray induced ground effects. All we can do is react to it. By the time we see the flash the X-rays are already here and the blast of solar protons riding the magnetic connection between the earth and sun are a few minutes behind that.
The only way to get an early warning would be to use solar observation satellites that use quantum entanglement communication and that would only provide up to 7 minutes of warning.
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No matter 'where' a sunspot, flare, CME, full-halo CME, ICME, SPE, CIRS, IMF, etc. occurs, they can instantly locate it, determine it's size, magnitude, direction of travel, intercept time with Earth's magnetosphere, and broadcast advisory and warning bulletins to all satellite operators, electric power grid operators, Pilots, ships captains, Military, ect., providing lead times, from minutes, to days, to take appropriate actions to prevent, or minimize effects to their infrastructure and assets.
Virtually all US Federal departments, agencies, and international partners are involved.
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One might even call it.... Space Weather.
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02-16-2023, 12:39 PM
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'warning'
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The blast of x-rays travels at the speed of light, this is not CME.
There is no waring for x-ray induced ground effects. All we can do is react to it. By the time we see the flash the X-rays are already here and the blast of solar protons riding the magnetic connection between the earth and sun are a few minutes behind that.
The only way to get an early warning would be to use solar observation satellites that use quantum entanglement communication and that would only provide up to 7 minutes of warning.
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At lunch I realized my brain had been stuck in 'plasma-gear', and from wherever I was 'observing' an x-ray burst, that I was always 'looking back in time,' and the x-rays would already be wherever I was, observing them; and it violated the laws of physics to think that one could get 'ahead' of things, and send a 'warning,' at least as far as x-ray, gamma-ray, and such.
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The only thing I can think of, with respect to a x-ray-induced effects warning capability is, the USGS Geomagnetism Program which operates magnetotelluric monitoring stations that measure induced geoelectric fields which, depending on local igneous rock type conductance, can induce back EMF up a grounded wye-connected grid-scale transformers and 'electrocute' the windings. Lead times to replace these monster transformers can be up to 2-years! And they're so expensive, they don't buy spares just to have them lying around.
Right now, the strategy is to defeat the ground during a storm, losing the safety of the 'ground fault', and then restore it once the storm passes.
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02-16-2023, 12:58 PM
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'Space Weather'
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One might even call it.... Space Weather.
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That's what they call it.
Remember though that, we're talking about the D-region of the ionosphere, and thermosphere above it. No closer than 37-miles.
That earth's atmosphere is opaque to x-ray.
Solar physicists do not consider space weather to be a 'daily risk.'
They consider UV-A and UV-B from sunlight to be the greater risk.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------That said, they are aware of 100-year solar storm events and their implications to modern society, and are actively working to improve monitoring and early warning.
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I believe that the largest storm in recent time occurred around November 4, 2003, when an X45 Flare went off in the 'Halloween Storm' darkening most, or all of Sweden. To my knowledge, nothing happened in the USA.
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they are aware of 100-year solar storm events and their implications to modern society, and are actively working to improve monitoring and early warning.
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They sound suspiciously 0bservant.
A 100-year window is myopic.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/774–775 carbon-14 spike
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The 774–775 carbon-14 spike is an observed increase of 1.2% in the concentration of carbon-14 isotope in tree rings dated to 774 or 775, which is about 20 times as high as the normal background rate of variation. It was discovered during a study of Japanese cedar trees, with the year of occurrence determined through dendrochronology.[1] A surge in beryllium isotope 10
Be, detected in Antarctic ice cores, has also been associated with the 774–775 event.[2] It is known as the Miyake event or the Charlemagne event and it produced the largest and most rapid rise in carbon-14 ever recorded.[3][4]
The event appears to have been global, with the same carbon-14 signal found in tree rings from Germany, Russia, the United States, Finland and New Zealand.
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Frequency of similar events
The event of 774 is the strongest spike over the last 11,000 years in the record of cosmogenic isotopes,[14] but it is not unique. A similar event occurred in 993 or 994, but it was only 60% as strong;[21] and another in c. 660 BCE.[22][23] Several other events of the same kind are also suspected to have occurred during the Holocene epoch.[14]
From these statistics, one may expect that such strong events occur once per tens of millennia, while weaker events may occur once per millennium or even century. The event of 774 did not cause catastrophic consequences for life on Earth,[24][15] but had it happened in modern times, it might have produced catastrophic damage to modern technology, particularly to communication and space-borne navigation systems.
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That's two orders of magintude (either arithmetic or logrithmic scaling?)
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I think that the last Solar-Cycle produced 334 solar events, with a monster X45 storm, November 4, 2003, which hit Sweden hard but did nothing to us.
What happens has to do with the southward component of the interplanetary magnetic field, shock-ICME interaction events, Co- Rotating Interactive Regions, overtaking shockwaves, rarifactions, compressions, current sheets, ring sheets, Burkland current sheets, cross-tail sheets, pure Alfven waves, slow waves, fast waves, Hall current, electron MHD, Two-fluid dynamics, Resistive dynamics, Collisionless dynamics, Non-Maxwellian flow, Double-layers, Landau-Damping, Discontinuities, Lorentz forces in the plasma, depending on local magnetic and electric fields, polarized plasma, which affects the very magnetic field it's embedded within.
A real magnetohydrodynamic fest!
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Carbon-14
I don't have any of that stuff with me. My left leg hasn't been right since October, when I tried to carry to much the 7-blocks, from the truck to the copy center and back ( which by the way is closing at the end of the month) and I've done all I can to reduce the weight I carry.
I can put my hands on the C-14 material directly, and will visit it by next Monday.
Since this sort of thing doesn't happen 'regularly', I don't make an effort to imprint it.
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