how much longer for the ICE now Americia's best selling Vehicle has gone electric?

[JSH]

Originally Posted by Isaac Zachary

I think that pretty much sums it up. That and finding a way to keep the EVSE costs, availability and such reasonable too. There's the concern for those who rent and even homeowners that may, by law and code or simply just need to have a very expensive upgrade in order to install an EVSE. I write this from my parents-in-laws' home that's got a single 120V 30A main. My EVSE I had was 240V and needed a 40A breaker. I've even heard of homes with 240V 100 or 150A mains needing to be upgraded for an extremely costly price just to legally install a level 2 EVSE.

No doubt some people will need to upgrade their electrical service if they want to charge an EV at home. We have seen this movie before when A/C become affordable and people had to upgrade their service to install A/C

How old is your in-law's house that it only has a 30 amp panel? My research says that is pre-1950's tech. Even my 1943 duplex has been upgraded to 100 amp service on each side.

Apparently about 1965 100 amp service became standard and today 200 amp is pretty standard.

[oil pan 4]

Technically you only have to upgrade when the number of circuits exceeds the listed number on your breaker box.
My main panel was full and to add welding circuits, car charger circuit, solar panel grid tie I added a sub panel.

[redpoint5]

Shoot, even the house I grew up in from the 1890s had 100 amp service. Of course, it had to have been installed sometime later.





Notice that subpanel added for a dryer and the barn. I'm older than that panel. It had fancy breakers instead of fuses.

[cRiPpLe_rOoStEr]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

Not a fan of Jeep in general, but the Wrangler is the way to go, and I'd be excited to own a plug-in off-road beast.

The off-road ability of the Wrangler highlights one of the reasons why I believe PHEVs are more viable in the middle to long term than full EVs which would be supposed to operate only on areas where fast chargers are more easily available.

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by JSH

The problem with the Polaris Ranger EV is that it uses 48 volts of flooded lead acid golf car batteries. 25 mph top speed, 35 mile range and short battery life.

Polaris did have a version with Li-Ion batteries but it was discontinued a few years back and cost $23,000. Polaris is suppose to have a new 2022 Ranger EV using Zero Li-Ion EV tech on sale soon.

I checked the market about a year ago since a side-by-side with bed would be more useful to my dad, and not having to maintain carbs and oil changes would be good as he ages. What was available was too expensive and used terrible technology with too many compromises.

Hopefully the new Polaris is a contender, but I'd want to get a used one, so that means waiting even more years.

Originally Posted by cRiPpLe_rOoStEr

The off-road ability of the Wrangler highlights one of the reasons why I believe PHEVs are more viable in the middle to long term than full EVs which would be supposed to operate only on areas where fast chargers are more easily available.

That's been my assumption, but it seems our opinion is the minority. Most people expect the market will just jump from ICE to BEV.

[cRiPpLe_rOoStEr]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

Most people expect the market will just jump from ICE to BEV.

Either they're already brainwashed by the mainstream media and politics who insist on pointing out the ICE as if it was the devil, or they're so used to rely on apps and car rentals at travel destinations where they would go by ICE-powered aircraft...

[freebeard]

Hopefully the new Polaris is a contender, but I'd want to get a used one...

Used Farm-O-Roads all day long. Imagine the build thread on Ecomodder. Give it an electric dump bed.

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by freebeard

Used Farm-O-Roads all day long. Imagine the build thread on Ecomodder. Give it an electric dump bed.

I started installing a retractable screen on the front door today. 30min install it said. It took me 30 minutes to figure out why the pieces wouldn't slide together and then to file the rail to finally get it to clear the obstruction. Setting that project aside, I started assembling a hitch mounted motorcycle carrier. The tolerances on that were also such that the supplied bolts don't work, so I set that project aside. The last thing I need is another project. Certainly not something that looks nice, because I'm just going to use the thing hard.

[dunhamjr]

Not trying to be rude but...

Confirmation bias is the tendency to search for, interpret, favor, and recall information in a way that confirms or supports one's prior beliefs or values.

^^^
This coming from someone who owns a BEV and PHEV (and two gassers). And lives in a neighborhood with a crap ton of Teslas... I can literally throw a rock from my driveway and hit 5-6 houses with Teslas.


Adoption of EV's is going to be way slower across the population than some of the estimates mentioned here. Even with considering automaker estimates (dont forget they include fleet sales) and government incentives & economy/carbon regulations.

[freebeard]

I can literally throw a rock from my driveway and hit 5-6 houses with Teslas.

Good arm? Or a really, really big rock?

Universal Electric Car Myth Debunked: One Smoldering Tweet Follows the Math

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwWzmu_rKFA