Project IRX: CRX-Insight Renaissance Experiment

[SVOboy]

UPDATES!

Okay, before the updates actually happen, something more important.

QUESTIONS!!!

So today my trouble is about the fuel line. The Honda OEM fuel lines and filter aren't going to do it, so I'm going to need to hook up a custom job if I want to get anywhere. I was planning on doing this with some -6AN and braided SS lines, as seems to be the way that people do it. However, I have several questions, and a bit of fear over this.

Basically, I'll work my way through this process step by step and part by part and you can tell me where/if I'm wrong

1. Cut off the OEM hardline stuff and put on one of these: Earl's Performance 165056ERL - Earl's Performance AN to Tube Adapter Fittings - Overview - SummitRacing.com

The installation of it is shown here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r02AKbp2WMY

Am I to take this to mean that I don't actually need to flare the hardline, because the way this installs flares it on its own?

2. I screw on one of these fittings (Summit Racing SUM-220690 - Summit Racing® Hose Ends - Overview - SummitRacing.com) to the hardline adapter, which then turns into braided steel, runs into another of those fittings, which then screws on to...

3. An inline fuel filter: Earl's Performance 230106ERL - Earl's Performance Inline Fuel Filters - Overview - SummitRacing.com

4. The other side of the filter then has another female to -6AN fitting, which runs all the way up to the fuel rail.

5. ???

What kind of fitting do I actually need to attach it to the fuel rail in place of the standard banjo bolt? There are some with AEM rails using custom fittings for that, but I'm a bit confused how to make this work with a stock rail.

Also, refer to this:


The guy is using 90 degree bends to prevent the hardline/fuel rail from having to support the weight of the fuel filter. Is this necessary? 3 of those damn 90* bends cost ~40 bucks on their own, and I'd rather avoid spending that if I don't need to. Though to be fair, it's only ~25$ more than my plan with the normal fittings.

Thoughts? Input? Thanks! Would like to order this junk tonight since I'm moving fast towards finishing this troublesome project

[SVOboy]

Darin and Tim both tell me I don't need to flare for #1 because of the compression fitting. Still curious on the hanging and the last bit, though

[SVOboy]

Two possible banjo adapters have been found.

One for use without FPR: Russell 640913 Russell Fuel Fittings for Honda Civic
One for use with: Russell 640920 Russell Fuel Fittings for Honda Civic

The FPR is the little dealy that sits on the fuel rail with a vacuum line, right? If so, I want the one without. However, both product images show it with that uneven crush washer, which as I recall goes with the non-FPR fuel rails and the banjo fittings with uneven sized openings, which mine is not.

Should I go ahead and buy assuming it's just bad stock photo use or should I be wary?

Basically, I don't want to get the wrong one and end up stranded with fuel spraying everywhere.

[SVOboy]

A conversation with Topher now about the banjo fitting issue:

20:58:23 Christ @ EcoModder.com: FPR = vacuum line thingy
20:58:33 Christ @ EcoModder.com: sits on the opposite side from the banjo fitting
20:58:47 Christ @ EcoModder.com: So you need the non-FPR fitting, if you go with that
20:59:16 Christ @ EcoModder.com: You don't need the 90's, either. Just leave extra line and support the filter on the firewall with a screwed bracket
20:59:28 Ben Jones: Wait wait wait
20:59:36 Ben Jones: It does have an FPR
20:59:44 Ben Jones: So I need the FPR fitting, right?
20:59:47 Christ @ EcoModder.com: Ok, so you need the FPR fitting.
20:59:57 Christ @ EcoModder.com: Check to make sure the fitting from the CRX fits the fuel rail
20:59:58 Ben Jones: Should I trust the description and not the image?
21:00:02 Christ @ EcoModder.com: if it does, you need the FPR fitting
21:00:18 Ben Jones: The d15z1 banjo is the same as the insight one
21:00:43 Ben Jones: So, I figure I need the FPR one
21:00:55 Christ @ EcoModder.com: Trust the description
21:01:02 Ben Jones: The FPR on the inside is the same side as banjo as well
21:01:04 Christ @ EcoModder.com: Russell would have fixed it by now if it was wrong
21:01:37 Christ @ EcoModder.com: They're a large company. What you do is carry some extra crush washers and the right size wrench with you.
21:01:39 Christ @ EcoModder.com: Just in cas.e
21:01:55 Christ @ EcoModder.com: Copper ones work great, that's what I use.
21:01:56 Ben Jones: I was thinking of ordering both and returning the wrong one, but you're saying I should trust you and Russel...?
21:02:39 Christ @ EcoModder.com: IF you have the cash to play that game, you can, to be safe
21:02:49 Christ @ EcoModder.com: Also, you don't really need a banjo fitting at all
21:02:52 Ben Jones: For the wrong one the issue won't be about the crush washers so much as the different sizes of the openings on the banjo
21:02:55 Ben Jones: I don't?
21:03:07 Ben Jones: This fuel rail is not a bolt with a hole
21:03:13 Ben Jones: It's a thing with a nut
21:03:32 Christ @ EcoModder.com: Yeah, I know. It's trouble, but you rip that stub out and thread the hole
21:03:39 Ben Jones: !!!
21:03:41 Christ @ EcoModder.com: haha
21:03:43 Christ @ EcoModder.com: didn't think so
21:03:46 Ben Jones: How do I rip it out?
21:03:52 Ben Jones: Is it threaded in?
21:03:52 Christ @ EcoModder.com: ? really!
21:04:11 Christ @ EcoModder.com: I don't believe so. The last one I did was on a Civic, I hacksawed the stub and threaded it
21:04:21 Ben Jones: Nutter
21:04:31 Christ @ EcoModder.com: I believe I used a NPT thread, though, so it took 2 adapters
21:04:31 Ben Jones: Insight fuel rails don't grow on trees
21:04:40 Christ @ EcoModder.com: I know, which is why I figure you won't want to do it.
21:04:45 Ben Jones: I shan't
21:04:48 Christ @ EcoModder.com: You can't unthread the thing, it's pressed.
21:05:01 Ben Jones: I'll order all the annoyingly expensive crap tonight
21:05:29 Ben Jones: I think the 90* bends might be good, since I don't know how hard it is to bend around the stuff
21:05:35 Christ @ EcoModder.com: If you know what size that nut is, you can get a hose end fitting that will screw onto it, but then there's the holes in it.
21:05:49 Ben Jones: Yeah, the holes are the issue
21:05:51 Christ @ EcoModder.com: bend what? Stainless line?
21:05:56 Ben Jones: I'll just use the damn banjo

[Funny]

Originally Posted by SVOboy

UPDATES!

JOY!!!

Originally Posted by SVOboy

Okay, before the updates actually happen, something more important.

QUESTIONS!!!

Knew there was a catch...

Originally Posted by SVOboy

The guy is using 90 degree bends to prevent the hardline/fuel rail from having to support the weight of the fuel filter. Is this necessary? 3 of those damn 90* bends cost ~40 bucks on their own, and I'd rather avoid spending that if I don't need to. Though to be fair, it's only ~25$ more than my plan with the normal fittings.

Thoughts? Input? Thanks! Would like to order this junk tonight since I'm moving fast towards finishing this troublesome project

I would forego the 90 degree bends if possible. The fewer components, the fewer the problems, usually. If you just rig up a small bracket system without the 90s, it will only be slightly more difficult to change the fuel filter and save you some green. Good luck!

[Christ]

Originally Posted by Funny

JOY!!!




Knew there was a catch...


I would forego the 90 degree bends if possible. The fewer components, the fewer the problems, usually. If you just rig up a small bracket system without the 90s, it will only be slightly more difficult to change the fuel filter and save you some green. Good luck!

I said this too. I believe he said he'd use them anyway, for the sake of peace of mind, since stainless line may not like the necessary bends to mount the fuel filter. Tight radii tend to kink the stainless braid, so I sort of agree.

I also offered an option to use standard hydraulic/pneumatic fittings, but Ben was tired, and I couldn't find all the fittings that were necessary in short order. (I only have a couple that I use bookmarked, and they're for 5/8" line.)

I suppose by now, he's already ordered the parts from Russell, though. I won't continue searching for the other type of fittings.

[SVOboy]

Indeed, no worries, I think this plan is relatively done up fine in a way that I'll be able to complete and such!

Today I'll do the clutch hardline and some other junk, as well as post the promised updates, just need to find my camera...

[Christ]

Originally Posted by SVOboy

Indeed, no worries, I think this plan is relatively done up fine in a way that I'll be able to complete and such!

Today I'll do the clutch hardline and some other junk, as well as post the promised updates, just need to find my camera...

It's in the passenger seat.

[Tygen1]

Originally Posted by SVOboy

Still interested in helping out tomorrow Ty? If so, and you have any tubing stuff for a clutch MC line, that would be great. You can tell me what supplies I need and I'll get them, but I don't have the tools (though I think I can borrow them from autozone, yippee).

Sorry, I havn't been able to come on here much. Things have gotten a little crazy at work and home so I need to pass on tonight. I'll be pushing to make this happen early next week if it is good for you?

Yea, I got flaring tools....wish I had a way to get them to you.

Have you got that exhaust pipe fabricated yet? I've been itching to do that for you

[SVOboy]

Tis a shame that I already did the exhaust (not as well as you would have of course, but oh well).

How big is your welder? Coyote tells me I need something bigger than mine for the next thing (which I'll post an update one soon).