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Old 04-14-2019, 04:50 PM   #1091 (permalink)
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I don't know how many of us want bluetooth in our cars. Mom wanted me to download something to my phone so we could listen to it on our road trip.

My phone is not quite loud enough for road trips. If her car had bluetooth there would be an easy solution.

As far as I am concerned, aside from GPS, the only reason I pay attention to my phone is if there an emergency.

A family in New Jersey argues that bluetooth is a necessary safety feature. Their phone will not stay paired, so the phone rings when they are driving, and then they are looking away from the road. They have had their car repaired or inspected at least six times and Tesla has had the car at least a hundred days. Tesla says they proved it was the phone's fault, citing a forum post about a different Samsung that could not sync with a Prius.

Tesla claims it is a known problem, which Samsung denies. Tesla says they were able to pair other phones. The family says they could pair the phone with other Teslas. The family is threatening to sue to make Tesla buy back the car.

Rich people problems.

Tesla should buy a Galaxy S10, make sure that it syncs, and then give it to the family.

https://www.philly.com/business/tesl...-20190414.html

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Old 04-15-2019, 11:29 AM   #1092 (permalink)
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(rant on)REALLY?

You dont need to answer a call or message, PERIOD. EVER.

Pull over somewhere safe or let the passenger answer. 2 minutes will not cause the world to end even in a true emergency.

My car doesn't need to talk to my phone either. If I absolutely must have polka, I carrry a stick that plugs in. (Rant off)
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Old 04-15-2019, 11:57 AM   #1093 (permalink)
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Electrek says some $35,000 Model 3's have finally been delivered.

https://electrek.co/2019/04/15/tesla...35000-model-3/

Even though Tesla dropped it from the configurator and now only wants to sell cars with AutoPilot some people have taken delivery of an actual $35,000 Model 3, sans AP.
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Old 04-15-2019, 08:56 PM   #1094 (permalink)
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Even though Tesla dropped it from the configurator and now only wants to sell cars with AutoPilot some people have taken delivery of an actual $35,000 Model 3, sans AP.
Except, they didn't get the $35,000 Model 3 they ordered. Electrek, of course, gushes that the new base owners "received better vehicles than they ordered." But I'm sure some of them, like me, prefer things like cloth, manual seats. (Hell, I want manual windows and locks too but no one offers those anymore, and certainly not on any EVs).

Tesla really messed this one up. You can't design a car and then decide it has to meet a price point; it has to be designed to meet that price point from the outset since there's only so much de-contenting you can do. And now Musk is trying to artificially cripple the market for the $35,000 Model 3 despite saying at the unveiling, unequivocally, "In terms of price, it will be $35,000. And I want to emphasize that, even if you buy no options at all, this will still be an amazing car. You will not be able to buy a better car at $35,000," and taking hundreds of thousands of reservations based on that assertion.

(My brother loves his [$49,000] Model 3, and keeps trying to convince me to buy one. But sorry, I paid that much for a car once and I won't ever again; I don't care if it farts rainbows and comes with a free unicorn).
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Old 04-15-2019, 09:05 PM   #1095 (permalink)
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If it came with a unicorn, I'd definitely get one.
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Old 04-15-2019, 09:51 PM   #1096 (permalink)
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OK, maybe I could be swayed for that.

Where's my damn unicorn, Elon?
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Except, they didn't get the $35,000 Model 3 they ordered. Electrek, of course, gushes that the new base owners "received better vehicles than they ordered." But I'm sure some of them, like me, prefer things like cloth, manual seats. (Hell, I want manual windows and locks too but no one offers those anymore, and certainly not on any EVs).

Tesla really messed this one up. You can't design a car and then decide it has to meet a price point; it has to be designed to meet that price point from the outset since there's only so much de-contenting you can do. And now Musk is trying to artificially cripple the market for the $35,000 Model 3 despite saying at the unveiling, unequivocally, "In terms of price, it will be $35,000. And I want to emphasize that, even if you buy no options at all, this will still be an amazing car. You will not be able to buy a better car at $35,000," and taking hundreds of thousands of reservations based on that assertion.

(My brother loves his [$49,000] Model 3, and keeps trying to convince me to buy one. But sorry, I paid that much for a car once and I won't ever again; I don't care if it farts rainbows and comes with a free unicorn).
I also think the $35,000 which was billed as the "car for the masses" will end up being literally a handful of cars. Even 100,000 $35,000 Tesla's is just a drop in the ocean of cars, certainly not something for the masses. Musk never talked like they were only going to build tens or hundreds of the $35,000 just to show they could. At that volume they could have just gave them away like Oprah (or more specifically Pontiac through Oprah.) On a positive note, I bet Leaf and Volt sales improved a bunch over the last week. The fact that Leaf sales plummeted when the $35,000 Tesla was promised 2 years ago shows how these misrepresentations can hurt. People figured $27,500 after the $7500 tax savings would be worth waiting a little for. Heck they probably put their Elio refund down on one LOL!
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The customers have spoken and 6/7 would rather spend a few thousand bucks more to get a step up in range and interior. I don't really see a problem with all of this, and the people who do get the $35k base version are getting nice, free upgrades.
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I think it does not make financial sense yet for Tesla to build the Standard Model 3 as long as they can sell and build every car they have batteries for.
It will be back when the production lines are no longer operating 24/7.

I'd prefer cloth seats too. But having too many options slows down production lines.
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The fact that Leaf sales plummeted when the $35,000 Tesla was promised 2 years ago shows how these misrepresentations can hurt. People figured $27,500 after the $7500 tax savings would be worth waiting a little for. Heck they probably put their Elio refund down on one LOL!
Leaf sales, if they did plummet 2 years ago, was more to do with the model being overdue for a major redesign, and known battery longevity problems, not to mention half the range.

Now that the Gen II is out, they still failed to beat the competition in any metric. They launched a 150 mile range vehicle when the Bolt and Tesla were already doing 250, with much faster acceleration, and they still don't have active thermal management.

I don't get the impression Nissan wants to sell EVs, or anyone but Tesla for that matter.

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