Tesla Model 3

[Frank Lee]

Originally Posted by JSH

I agree selling a 2020 model year car in January 2019 doesn't make much sense. Legally build year and model year can differ by 2 years.

Oh yeah? South Korean newborns can be two years old in minutes!

https://www.bing.com/search?q=newbor...B35f9k&PC=LCTS

[RedDevil]

Elon Musk has tweeted something about the Model 3 life expectancy...

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/...s-elon-musk%2F

Model 3 drive unit & body is designed like a commercial truck for a million mile life. Current battery modules should last 300k to 500k miles (1500 cycles). Replacing modules (not pack) will only cost $5k to $7k.

[Hersbird]

Originally Posted by RedDevil

Deliveries should take place this very weekend - but they'll basically be Standard Plus versions for a Standard price.
The seats will be electric and the Standard Plus battery and features will be software limited to Standard specs.

I don't think you are right. These cars have an additional almost $9-10k markup as they act like the tax credit and fuel savings is part of the purchase. Try telling that to your bank. You need to have well over $40,000 to buy any new Tesla ever made, or planned to be made.

[Hersbird]

I do see where the "standard plus" which is the lowest you can now spec online is just about $41,000 so IF they are somehow offering a locked out downgraded version of that car if you know the secret handshake, maybe there is a $36,200 Tesla out there. I feel like it will be like trying to buy just internet service from your cable provider. Be prepared to talk to 3 different operators and spend an hour on the phone only to get disconnected just before receiving your confirmation.

[RedDevil]

Originally Posted by Hersbird

I don't think you are right. These cars have an additional almost $9-10k markup as they act like the tax credit and fuel savings is part of the purchase. Try telling that to your bank. You need to have well over $40,000 to buy any new Tesla ever made, or planned to be made.

I noticed but I only convert what I've read. The $35,000 price is without credits and fuel savings.

[Hersbird]

Originally Posted by RedDevil

I noticed but I only convert what I've read. The $35,000 price is without credits and fuel savings.

So it's still actually $36,200 after required shipping and fees that every other car maker includes in the sticker price.

[RedDevil]

IDK. I went to America once and quickly got used to always having to pay more than the sticker says cause everything is ex tax.
Except for motel stayovers, if you were smart enough to ask in advance.

[Xist]

AmpedRealtor | June 24, 2013
Here is Elon Musk's actual quote from USA Today:

"We don't think anybody could put enough miles on to kill the (85 kwh) pack. That could turn out to be wrong, but we have half-a-million miles on one in the lab," says Tesla chief Elon Musk. "Even the 60 kwh customers will be able to take it well over 200,000 miles."

https://forums.tesla.com/forum/forum...00-miles-tesla

https://twitter.com/teslamiles?lang=en

Tesla Shows off Model 3 Drive Unit After One Million Miles of Driving

I do not know how to reconcile this and the seven year-old Leaves with new batteries after 65,000 miles. Years are harder on battery packs than miles?

Edit: Hotels definitely have a VAT. We are staying in one tonight and the tax rate is over 14%.

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by Xist

https://forums.tesla.com/forum/forum...00-miles-tesla

https://twitter.com/teslamiles?lang=en

Tesla Shows off Model 3 Drive Unit After One Million Miles of Driving

I do not know how to reconcile this and the seven year-old Leaves with new batteries after 65,000 miles. Years are harder on battery packs than miles?

Lack of thermal management is harder on the Leaf battery, combined with a different (probably worse durability-wise) battery chemistry.

[RedDevil]

Big water cooled pack with small lossey style parallel cells (if one shorts it defuses and the 46 other cells in the same tier divide the load) versus small air cooled pack with big series cells.

A cell fails when a dendrite forms and shorts it. The bigger the cell, the bigger the chance that happens to that cell. That is a problem in a series pack - a dead cell then means a dead pack.

Old Tesla packs may contain hundreds of dead cells (small cells will eventually die too), but if every tier has no more than 5 of them it is still close to 90% of its original capacity.

I always thought Tesla batteries were inherently flawed and overly complex, but because of their ability to deal with cell failure they are actually better than the competition.