01-15-2019, 04:55 PM
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The model Y is likely to cannibalize demand for the 3, except at the low end.
The 3 is an anomaly, currently (ha), in that it's a sedan with growing sales. Everybody and their insecure dog wants crossovers these days.
It'll be interesting to see what effect the Y has on the 3.
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01-15-2019, 05:01 PM
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Bluetooth is a must have for me. I use my phone for audio and navigation and want them wirelessly synced to the car’s audio system.
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But that's Bluetooth from the phone to the car's audio system, not Bluetooth from the audio (or phone) to the speakers.
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Anyways, Bluetooth is cheap and it's a standard, like the 1/8th inch audio jack. That your new phone doesn't have.
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Of course I don't have a new phone :-) I find it much more convenient just to put the audio on a USB device myself.
Either way, that's going from phone to car's stereo, not direct to speakers. Using Bluetooth speakers in a car just seems silly, since you have to run the wires for power anyway.
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01-15-2019, 05:11 PM
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Jamesqf, there are other EV's out there if you are serious about really buying one. If you want a stripped car there are used MiEV's out there for as little as 6 grand.
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Still, it's not the sort of car I'd want to drive, especially with that gigantic solar cooker (AKA windshield). And most of my drives would exceed its 100 km range.
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01-16-2019, 12:31 AM
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But that's Bluetooth from the phone to the car's audio system, not Bluetooth from the audio (or phone) to the speakers.
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In my Astro Van I just use a pair of Bluetooth speakers set up for stereo sound. The Astro has a working audio system but the radio is a stock CD player without an AUX in. Someday I might replace the radio with something aftermarket but the Bluetooth speakers work fine for now.
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01-16-2019, 09:23 AM
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I want a Subaru Outback as an EV. It is big enough for almost everything I have ever wanted to carry, and when it isn't, I rent a trailer for less than $20/day.
If I was rich, I would try to stuff a Tesla drive train into an Outback, but I am not, so we have a Leaf for many in-town stuff and the Subaru for when we need a second car, longer trips, pull a trailer, etc.
When my latest Subaru is paid off, I plan on replacing my motorcycle with an EV motorcycle. When that is paid off, my Subaru will be replaced with an EV (assuming I have the money for all of this). I hope Subaru has come out with something other than the baby battery CrossTrek (I tried it, but I am too large a person to find it comfortable compared to the Outback).
If the Tesla Model Y is out by then and meets my wants and needs and is something I can afford, then that would be awesome... but I hope in the 5 to 7 years that I will have several options for an all wheel drive passenger vehicle that seats 4 adults comfortably, can tow 3-4,000 lbs easily, has about as much cargo space as an outback, and has about 250-300+ miles of range.
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01-16-2019, 01:12 PM
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I want a Subaru Outback as an EV. It is big enough for almost everything I have ever wanted to carry, and when it isn't, I rent a trailer for less than $20/day.
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If the Tesla Model Y is out by then and meets my wants and needs and is something I can afford, then that would be awesome... but I hope in the 5 to 7 years that I will have several options for an all wheel drive passenger vehicle that seats 4 adults comfortably, can tow 3-4,000 lbs easily, has about as much cargo space as an outback, and has about 250-300+ miles of range.
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My asks (that I was not able to fill with an EV)
- commute with 2 people comfortably and economically
- can drive a few miles on a gravel road without losing the undercarriage on a pothole
- Pull a boat on a trailer twice a year (4500 lbs)
- room for 5 people ... sort of comfortably ... for short trips (to the hockey rink and back, or out for supper) ... so I need room for a kids hockey bag too
Right now I'm working on other projects.
In about 5 years I hope to restore (function over looks) an F-150 crew cab (or a Chev or a Dodge) with batteries under the bed and under the hood, an AC motor driving the front differential and a DC motor driving the rear.
The parts are easy to source, the drive-line (drive shaft, differentials, hubs, brakes, abs) are the same for many years, available from different sources. Figuring out how to spoof the non-engine electronics *SHOULD* be the biggest challenge ... besides my general lack of mechanical skill ![Wink](/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif)
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01-16-2019, 01:19 PM
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I'd say a Tesla X would fill those requirements... at great expense.
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01-16-2019, 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by MetroMPG
The model Y is likely to cannibalize demand for the 3, except at the low end.
The 3 is an anomaly, currently (ha), in that it's a sedan with growing sales. Everybody and their insecure dog wants crossovers these days.
It'll be interesting to see what effect the Y has on the 3.
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That is possible; but the estimation before the Model 3 came out, is that it would cannibalize sales from the Model S and Model X - and it has not.
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01-16-2019, 01:43 PM
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Yeah, people willing to spend $90k on a car probably aren't so interested in a car that is half the price. I'm sure some potential S buyers converted to 3, but they may have just wanted a smaller car.
The combined S and X sales were up 3,000 units from the previous year despite the Model 3.
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01-17-2019, 08:32 AM
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No more 'freeloading' when buying from Feb 1.
If you buy a Tesla you can get a referral code from an existing Tesla owner, which provides for 6 months of free supercharger use (and some bonuses for the supplying owner).
But that program is working a bit too well for Tesla:
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/17/elon...-on-feb-1.html
So if you think about buying a Tesla using such a referral code, get it done before February.
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